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Offline zaker

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DSG
« on: 17 January 2007, 18:05 »
ive just took a gti out on test with dsg (very impressed was i !!)
the salesman was scratching his head when i asked him what excactly happens when you put it in
S (sport) mode... firmer ride ? more revier ? ime not sure, 1st time ive drove a mk 5 and neither is he, can anyone tell me.

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Re: DSG
« Reply #1 on: 17 January 2007, 18:46 »
I was testing sport mode last weekend and it seems to be more free revving and stay in lower gears for longer.

by the time it got to 80MPH it was at around 5000 RPM and in D mode it would be 3500 or something.

anyone else know any more?
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Offline micalee

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Re: DSG
« Reply #2 on: 17 January 2007, 19:29 »
What it is and how it works

The Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG), also known as the double-clutch gearbox, is a transmission developed by Audi and Volkswagen. What makes it special is that it can change gears faster than any other geared transmission. The DSG can be shifted either manually or automatically. It delivers more power and better control than a traditional automatic transmission and faster performance than a manual transmission.
The DSG is a development of the sequential manual transmission (SMT), which is essentially a fully-automated manual transmission with a computer-controlled clutch. Before we delve into the workings of the DSG, let's start with an explanation of the SMT.


SMT: The control of a manual with the ease of an automatic
Though it has appeared on a few passenger cars, the SMT is widely used in certain forms of racing and is featured on Ferrari's Enzo supercar.
Cars with SMTs have no clutch pedal; the clutch is automatically engaged. Most SMTs can be shifted automatically or manually, the latter using a shift lever or paddles on the steering wheel. The advantage to an SMT is that it uses a solid coupling, as opposed to a fluid coupling (torque converter) as used in a traditional automatic (including Tiptronic- or manumatic-style transmissions). As with a manual transmission, the SMT provides a direct connection between engine and transmission, allowing 100 of the engine's power to be transmitted to the wheels. The SMT provides more immediate response and ensures that the engine RPMs do not drop when the driver lifts off the accelerator (as happens with an automatic), giving her more precise control over power output.

SMTs can also perform matched-rev (or double-clutch) downshifts: When the driver downshifts, the SMT disengages the clutch, shifts to neutral, and re-engages the clutch. The SMT calculates what the engine RPMs will be in the next-lowest gear based on the current road speed, and revs the engine (and, since the clutch is engaged, the transmission) to that speed. It then disengages the clutch, shifts into the lower gear, and re-engages the clutch. The result is a smooth change with no jerk and no sudden deceleration.

SMTs have one major disadvantage, same as a manual: Power must be interrupted while the transmission changes gears.


DSG: An SMT without the lag
The DSG all but eliminates the lag inherent in SMTs. The DSG is essentially two 3-speed gearboxes with a pair of clutches. When the driver starts out, transmission #1 is in first gear and transmission #2 is in second. The clutch engages and the car starts out in first. When it's time to change gears, the DSG uses the clutches to swap transmissions. The #1 transmission immediately shifts to third gear. At the next change the DSG swaps transmissions again, and #2 shifts to fourth. The DSG's computerized controller calculates the next likely gearchange and shifts the "idle" transmission into that gear. The advantage is the speed of gearchanges: The DSG takes about 8 milliseconds to upshift. Compare that to the SMT in the Ferrari Enzo, which takes 150 ms to upshift. It's also significantly faster than a human: According to Audi, the A3 runs 0-60 in 6.9 seconds with a 6-speed manual and 6.7 seconds with the 6-speed DSG. Like the SMT, the DSG performs double-clutch downshifts and can skip gears (i.e. downshifting from 6th directly to 4th, 3rd, etc).

Driving with the DSG
The DSG uses a traditional P-R-N-D-S shift pattern. It can shift automatically in either normal (D) or Sport (S) modes. In Normal mode, the DSG shifts to the higher gears early in order to minimize engine noise and maximize fuel economy. In Sport mode the transmission holds the lower gears longer in order to keep the engine in its powerband. This is especially useful for turbocharged cars like Audi A3, Volkswagen GTI and VW Jetta GLI, since the turbocharger is only active at higher RPMs. Sport mode also provides more aggressive downshifts with slight accelerator pedal pressure.Manual mode is engaged by either sliding the shift lever to the side or pulling one of the paddles on the steering wheel. Once in manual mode, shifts are made by moving the shifter fore and aft or using the paddles (which are marked " " and "-"). If manual mode was engaged with the paddles, pulling and holding the upshift paddle returns the transmission to automatic mode, allowing the driver to quickly downshift to a lower gear for passing and then hand control back over to the transmission.

Hope this is not to long winded, but i think it covers it!



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Re: DSG
« Reply #3 on: 17 January 2007, 20:54 »
Spot on.  :cool:

Where did you find that?
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Re: DSG
« Reply #5 on: 18 January 2007, 18:22 »
cheers for that, bought the car now !!

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Re: DSG
« Reply #6 on: 18 January 2007, 18:25 »
what spec did u get zaker? :rolleyes:

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Re: DSG
« Reply #7 on: 18 January 2007, 18:36 »
what spec did u get zaker? :rolleyes:


Its 1 year old, blue met, cream leather, dsg. Gave me a reasonable deal on my TT, pic it up tuesday cant wait.

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Re: DSG
« Reply #8 on: 18 January 2007, 18:40 »
Is it laser blue????? hope you enjoy your new ride my friend, make sure you post some pics when u do. :wink:

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Re: DSG
« Reply #9 on: 18 January 2007, 20:11 »
Its Shadow blue..........looks well with cream leather !