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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #50 on: 24 January 2004, 16:39 »
You should try researching your info before copying it from another website  ;D
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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #51 on: 24 January 2004, 16:46 »
in fact, there is a problem directly measuring horsepower of modern day internal combustion engines because they produce rotary motion not linear motion, and unless the engine is geared down, the speed at which they do work (time and distance or RPM) is too great for practical direct measurement of horsepower.

Thats the only thing I've copied from a website, because I couldn't be bothered to type it all out.

The other stuff is from Physics textbooks I have from when I did my degree.

So how does it not work? What is yor example?

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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #52 on: 24 January 2004, 17:18 »
right i think the gti thing what jv has mentioned at santa pod will be a good do, i deffo be up for that will be july so hopefully will be 'non freezin' weather!! hey may have found the fund to get that nitrous by then!! lol ;D

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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #53 on: 24 January 2004, 19:15 »
Hey Kniterider,  You want an argument?

Hey,

I bet my nitrous is quicker than yours........

only joking,

well since the fabulous TOMRC there has never been such a good thread, thank you all for joining in, so is anyone going tomorrow??
Me old diesel was quick/........

16.004 sec Qtr mile @ 85mph 23/5/04 Santa Pod



Now running around in soon to be REVO'd Seat ibiza 1.8T 20v FR and missing the fuel economy..............

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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #54 on: 24 January 2004, 19:17 »
May still go, depends on weather.

You going?

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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #55 on: 24 January 2004, 19:23 »
We still on about this??????? Only been away for a day  ::) Nevermind! Won't be able to make Santa as Little madam's not well. Will be there later in the year though if anything's organised?

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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #56 on: 25 January 2004, 00:20 »
in fact, there is a problem directly measuring horsepower of modern day internal combustion engines because they produce rotary motion not linear motion, and unless the engine is geared down, the speed at which they do work (time and distance or RPM) is too great for practical direct measurement of horsepower.

Thats the only thing I've copied from a website, because I couldn't be bothered to type it all out.

The other stuff is from Physics textbooks I have from when I did my degree.

So how does it not work? What is yor example?

I'm not sure with what i am disagreeing with. You said HP doesn't matter its torque that matters, NOT TRUE
As you have quoted HP=torque*rpm/5252
You cannot have lots of torque without any HP at all, unless the engine only goes to 2000 revolutions. As you have shown HP and torque are related.
If torque is high at a high RPM then the car will be fast, for this to happen the BHP must also be high.
SO WHAT MAKES AN ENGINE POWERFUL IS HIGH TORQUE AT HIGH RPM.
The problem with diesel engines is, the torque is created from a long stroke ,  this will lead to a very high compression ratio which is necessary to ignite the diesel, in turn will make the maximum engine speed very limited hence not a lot of power.
Do you disagree with any of that??  :D

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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #57 on: 25 January 2004, 01:35 »

SO WHAT MAKES AN ENGINE POWERFUL IS HIGH TORQUE AT HIGH RPM.

Totally agree. The higher up the rev range the torque is produced, the more horsepower an engine will develop. Power only starts to trail off when the torque curve falls faster than the rpm's increase.

The problem with diesel engines is, the torque is created from a long stroke ,  this will lead to a very high compression ratio which is necessary to ignite the diesel, in turn will make the maximum engine speed very limited hence not a lot of power.

Again, I totally agree. The long stroke of the diesel engine limits the rev range of the engine, so regardless of the amount of torque an engine produces it will only be as powerful as the rev range allows.


I don't think I've ever said horsepower is not important. All I've tried to get across is that a massive bhp isn't the only factor in creating a fast car and people should not assume that a low power figure means a slow car (in the case of a diesel).

That is reflected by comparing the in gear times of my PD150 with, for example, a Civic type R. That has a third as much power more than mine, but as its engine's output (torque) is produced much hgher up the rev range, all this power is produced 6000rpm+ So, how does that translate to its in-gear times? It doesn't see which way I go!

To summarise, Power is a figure that reflects an engines capability to repeat its output (torque) over time (rpms). Due to the requirements of diesel iginiting (as you said) my engine is not capable of reproducing that output over such a long period of time (rpms). that doesn't mean diesel cars are slow, it just means we can't take advantage of that output over such a long rev-range, we just need to grab another gear!

If we agree on all that, then I don't see what we're arguing about either!

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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #58 on: 25 January 2004, 13:39 »
thats a good few points but when is everyone gonna go santa pod then!! 8)

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Re:Santa Pod Sunday 25th,
« Reply #59 on: 25 January 2004, 15:32 »
I didn't make it today, as I was cleanin' instead of racin' but we'll defintely have to meet up there very soon. I'll check out their site and get a list of evens and the dates, I'll publish them and we'll see when everyone can make it  ;)

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