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Offline toonraider

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faults with new drive.........!
« on: 16 August 2006, 20:42 »
Just bought a 1.8 gti last weekend and already problems have started to show, or at least got worse......
1. Rear suspension seems to have no give in what so ever and just shudders across bumps and in divots like a boneshaker
2. Also i suspect rear axle/carrier bush to have failed on one side due to an irritating knock.....
3. Front end knocks slightly too, wish bones,ball joints??......
4. New front disks required due to warp and v.bad vibration under soft - hard braking...
5. Clutch seems to have two bite points, one after an inch release and the other about 4 inches later and still cant get the bite - point right.
6. Last but not least, fumes coming into the cabin today, petrol/oily smell......not happy.

If anyone has experience of these please share your thoughts. Also is the Golf MK4 suspension normally a bit wallowy or hard. I get quite a bit body roll at the front, Cars not lowered and really is a nice one but these faults need to be sorted especially the rear end with no give!!!!!!!!

1999 mk4 1.8 GTI

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Re: faults with new drive.........!
« Reply #1 on: 16 August 2006, 22:04 »
Can't really comment on your list only to say that rear axle bushes are a very common problem on mk4's (getting mine done tomorrow)  bad news is they aint simple to do either.  According to the mechanic they are a real bugger to do, 1.5 to 2 hours each!  Some garages will tell you that the oil filled gti bushes can only be changed by replacing the whole rear axle but they can be replaced with solid items found on lower models.  My car has had this problem since I bought it 3 months ago (first thought that the clunk was due to the car having hard, sporty suspension - hah!) but even with this prob I would not describe it as wallowy.  I would describe the ride as firm but not too hard.

Bite point on mine is pretty easy to find - I'm afraid i don't have any suggestions on this.

Were the fumes coming in when you had your ventilation set to a certain setting?  Does your exhaust blow?

Sorry to hear you have probs, its pretty sickening when you get a new car and you find heaps of problems, do you have a warranty?

Unfortunatley the age of your car (and mine) means that a lot of the factory fit parts are just starting to go and you will keep having to put your hand in your pocket.  I'm thinking of geting my golf its own credit card!  But then I do love it........

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Re: faults with new drive.........!
« Reply #2 on: 17 August 2006, 20:24 »
wel today had new pita rear bush fitted and two complete new wishbones and some of the clunking is still there. The car is actually the wifes and i`m comparing the suspension to my car ( BM325) which has next to no body roll due to being lowered and on coil overs, but i still feel that hers is is too soft, especially the front....could be how its supposed to be though. The fumes were coming in on..i think...the windscreen and face vent setting.

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Re: faults with new drive.........!
« Reply #3 on: 17 August 2006, 20:35 »
the noise from the front could be ARB bushes; had mine replaced a couple of months ago and it sharpened up the front nicely  :smiley:

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Re: faults with new drive.........!
« Reply #4 on: 21 August 2006, 19:24 »
just been to lakes for weekend with the wife :laugh: covering 330 miles in all and went in her car. I`ve never known a car to have so many knocking thumping bits at one time in my fookin life!!!!!
Had arb`s checked....fine, no problems there. Did have a loose engine mount bolt :shocked:,tightened up and no difference. The rear suspension seems to have very little bounce when your driving over speed humps etc but does bounce quite well when you stand on the footplate at the rear doors and jump on it.!!
Basically all i now have left to get replaced is struts and top mounts front and back. Not very happy at all.  :angry:
Also noticed that the steering doesnt come back to you central after a tight turn and got to do it yourself. whats that all about? Tracking ?
Any body else had this sort of knocking/knocking/thumping/steering/pain/in/the/ass hassle???????

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Re: faults with new drive.........!
« Reply #5 on: 21 August 2006, 21:10 »
Right, for Starters - your 1999 Mk4 Turbo; How many 000's miles. Service book records ?

1999 cars were not as good as later versions - sorry - but the later cars were better.

1) Ok - rear suspension bounces a bit, it is front wheel dive, has the 4 pot lump right over front wheels, BMW is rear wheel drive and propshaft - so very different, also BMW is better balanced for weight distribution. The fix is to run your 205 / Montreal 2 wheels at lower pressure. Get soft compound next time you change tyres -  run at 28/29 lbs. This baby is much better than most hot hatches, which are generally bad on the stern. The stern on later MK4's is very hard, a little harsh for some. You should be able to feel driving over a piece of pea shingle ! Speed humps are a nightmare.

The steering ratio (less wheel turning) plus skinnier tures on the Golf versus the BMW325, make the steering easier in traffic on the MK4 2001 car.

In common with all road cars, the camber and castor angles are set up for understeer. You can alter this characteristic on both the Turbo and BMW325's from E30 onwards

2) & 3) The suspension when good  is absolutely quiet - zero knocking. Hey - BMW also has an error on 70 - 100mph real heavy braking !  The offside front wheel moves backwards from new (see BMW trailing arm rubber bush) - I know. Golf is not much worse, accept more weight is pitched forward, which is different to 325ci.

4) Get new discs and pads immediately, on the 2001 car, the brakes are superb, by comparison to Ford, Vaux and Renalt hot hatch rubbish on a 2001 plate.

5) Clutch has a very deliberate bite at the bottom 75% of the pedal depression, a clutch which operates at the top is buggered. Very good operation on power when the plate is central and in good serviceable condition. In fact the clutch is better than the BMW for standing 1/4 mile starts. Women who wear heels will have a problem with the proper set up of the Mk4 Turbo clutch. NB -  GTI 2 Litre (non turbo) clutch on a 1999 is a squelchy peat bog.

6) Look for Oil leeks over hot manifold, take the plastic cover off - very easy, by turning plastic screws thru 90 degrees, then lift-off and look when hot. Maybe that clutch is burning out ? Get under there and smell.
 
Hey, did you drive the car BEFORE buying it ? If it's a dog, but looks pretty, get shot of it and get your dosh back, and get a late MK4 turbo AUM or AUQ engine.

I know, I've driven Both the Beemers and later Turbos, the older MK4 T's and GTI's don't compare (unless you spend money to correct the faults) ------------------- Very Sorry.

A nicely set-up MK4 turbo with the right tyres (Pirelli Pzeros soft compound, or Goodyear F1's  and the right pads, Bocsh platinum plugs, and Castrol SLX fully synthetic Oil, All sensors and MAF perfect.   This car can spin, and is a treat for the Used Car Price. 

Drive before you buy, sounds as if your's had more polish than real maintenance applied. "Over Shiny" Cars that drive poorly are best avoided.

Good luck with the fix-   or flog.




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Re: faults with new drive.........!
« Reply #6 on: 21 August 2006, 23:11 »
strangely, I had a BMW (E30) years ago that had a bad clonking from the back suspension. I eventually traced it to worn shock top mounts - the rubbers were so badly worn allowing the shock mounts to move up and down over bumps.

As its a simple check, it might be worth having a look on your Golf - check the bottom mounts as well.
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Re: faults with new drive.........!
« Reply #7 on: 21 August 2006, 23:48 »
Struth, I was talking about Beemer bottom trailing arm and anti-roll bar bushes, which are deliberately soft on the front - cause the camber angle changes on the front wheel as the car turns steeply. The idea is to avoid axle tramping and hopping. But   :wink: because of the softness to allow a change in angle, some unwanted movement occurs in heavy breaking at high speed.

Your shockers, must have clonked like hell - top bush collapsed - I feel sorry for the differential coupling on that E30, having to deal with excessive jiggle all of the bl**dy time.
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Re: faults with new drive.........!
« Reply #8 on: 22 August 2006, 20:12 »
car is a gti 1.8 not turbo and yep.......car was driven before being bought but the test drive did not encounter speed humps or pitted roads so couldnt really tell until we arrived back and got off the motorway onto the more rural and "b" roads.
Disca etc have been changed...see above post, but really my question still is what else apart from what i have already mentioned, again see earlier, would it take to cure these annoying problems?
but thanks for all advice so far.