Peugeot 306 GTI-6 or MK3 GTI ... Choices Choices

[AudiA8Quattro]

Just stating an opinion.
There's no way a 4 cylinder even tuned lump is gonna keep up with a v6.
Anyway i'm not into VW's that much anymore, i'm in to Audi's, and they have a chassis miles better than any golf including mk2's.

pmsl, you obviously, know what yer on about don't ya......









"NOT"

Thats a convincing argument!!!
Would you like to explain yourself? 

[mowgli]

Conclusive and independant proof:

http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=46322&page=last

Sorry fellas, if you want the fastest car through the bends you bought the wrong one...

I also posted the question on another independant forum and the responses were 10-1 for the 306.  So, in summary, the 306 GTi6 is better than the GTi 8/16v and better than the VR6 too.

I'd still rather have the Golf though, better long term proposition.

[hitman]

A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact.

OK fact boy explain this then......


Engine specifications of 2 rather decent German car manufacturers Both made about the same time (early 1990Â’s).  Theres so little to tell these two apart on paper other than the number of cylinders.

Engine   
Engine Configuration   I
Cylinders   4
   Water-Cooled
Aspiration/Induction   Normal
Displacement   2992.00 cc | 182.6 cu in. | 3 L.
Valves   16 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain   DOHC
Horsepower   208.00 BHP (153.1 KW) @ 5800.00 RPM
Torque   207.00 Ft-Lbs (280.7 NM) @ 4100.00 RPM
HP to Weight Ratio   13.8 LB / HP (Vehicles with similar ratio)

HP / Liter   69.3 BHP / Liter
Bore   4.09 in | 103.9 mm.
Stroke   3.46 in | 87.9 mm.
Compression Ratio   10.9:1
Main Bearings   5
Fuel Type   Gasoline - Petrol
Fuel Feed   DME ignition - fuel injection

Engine   
Engine Configuration   I
Cylinders   6
Engine   Aluminum cross-flow bridge
Aspiration/Induction   Normal
Displacement   2964.00 cc | 180.9 cu in. | 3 L.
Valves   24 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain   DOHC
Horsepower   228.00 HP (167.8 KW) @ 6300.00 RPM
Torque   201.00 Ft-Lbs (272.6 NM) @ 4600.00 RPM
HP / Liter   76.0 BHP / Liter
Bore   3.48 in | 88.4 mm.
Stroke   3.16 in | 80.3 mm.
Compression Ratio   10.0:1
Fuel Type   Gasoline - Petrol

If you want to look the figures up for yourself thats a Mercedes SL300 and a Porsche 944s2 a 3 litre BMW of a similar age would show similar figures too.

[hitman]

Oh and in answer to the initial question, shopping on a budget of £2000 look long and hard before you buy either a Golf or a 306, there likely to have had a hard life before they get to this sort of price.

The Mantra (not the Opel Mantra) is condition, condition and condition.

[HARDCOR3]

Conclusive and independant proof:

http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=46322&page=last

Sorry fellas, if you want the fastest car through the bends you bought the wrong one...

AHEMMM, fast through the bends did you say, well check this VR6 destroy an Impreza thru the bends, you hang on to your little french dreams......

http://www.filecabi.net/video/590hpgolf.html

  nuff said 

[B.I.G DUB]

is this really a row over a pug gti-6 and now vr's? that vid of hardcore's says it all,plus the pug IS french!  i got a vr6 after an impreza turbo and i wont be going out anytime soon to change it for the pug! as for going thru bends,depends who's driving!! 

[AudiA8Quattro]

A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact.

OK fact boy explain this then......


Engine specifications of 2 rather decent German car manufacturers Both made about the same time (early 1990Â’s).  Theres so little to tell these two apart on paper other than the number of cylinders.

Engine   
Engine Configuration   I
Cylinders   4
   Water-Cooled
Aspiration/Induction   Normal
Displacement   2992.00 cc | 182.6 cu in. | 3 L.
Valves   16 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain   DOHC
Horsepower   208.00 BHP (153.1 KW) @ 5800.00 RPM
Torque   207.00 Ft-Lbs (280.7 NM) @ 4100.00 RPM
HP to Weight Ratio   13.8 LB / HP (Vehicles with similar ratio)

HP / Liter   69.3 BHP / Liter
Bore   4.09 in | 103.9 mm.
Stroke   3.46 in | 87.9 mm.
Compression Ratio   10.9:1
Main Bearings   5
Fuel Type   Gasoline - Petrol
Fuel Feed   DME ignition - fuel injection

Engine   
Engine Configuration   I
Cylinders   6
Engine   Aluminum cross-flow bridge
Aspiration/Induction   Normal
Displacement   2964.00 cc | 180.9 cu in. | 3 L.
Valves   24 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain   DOHC
Horsepower   228.00 HP (167.8 KW) @ 6300.00 RPM
Torque   201.00 Ft-Lbs (272.6 NM) @ 4600.00 RPM
HP / Liter   76.0 BHP / Liter
Bore   3.48 in | 88.4 mm.
Stroke   3.16 in | 80.3 mm.
Compression Ratio   10.0:1
Fuel Type   Gasoline - Petrol

If you want to look the figures up for yourself thats a Mercedes SL300 and a Porsche 944s2 a 3 litre BMW of a similar age would show similar figures too.

Ok boy, we were talking about a 2 litre 4 cylinder 16v against a 2.8 litre 6 cylinder 15 degree V, go back and read the thread from the start 

[hitman]

Ok boy, we were talking about a 2 litre 4 cylinder 16v against a 2.8 litre 6 cylinder 15 degree V, go back and read the thread from the start 

But thatÂ’s not what you saidÂ…..

And I Quote;
A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact

Now obviously a standard 2.8 litre lump will push out more power than a standard 2 litre lump it would be daft to say that in this particular case the VR6 is less powerful than the Pug.  Anyway any argument is purely hypothetical as your not going to get to the point on the road where you would be able to test either of the cars to anywhere near there limitations, unless of course you fancy parking yourself upside down in the field next to where you left the road.

[AudiA8Quattro]

Ok boy, we were talking about a 2 litre 4 cylinder 16v against a 2.8 litre 6 cylinder 15 degree V, go back and read the thread from the start 

But thatÂ’s not what you saidÂ…..

And I Quote;
A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact

Now obviously a standard 2.8 litre lump will push out more power than a standard 2 litre lump it would be daft to say that in this particular case the VR6 is less powerful than the Pug.  Anyway any argument is purely hypothetical as your not going to get to the point on the road where you would be able to test either of the cars to anywhere near there limitations, unless of course you fancy parking yourself upside down in the field next to where you left the road.

Yes you are right, i stand corrected 
What i should of said is a bigger v6 lump will produce much more torque than a smaller 4 cylinder lump.
However my statement is still wrong really as the VR6 isn't really a real V6 engine, did you know that?
In reality we are talking about road cars, not racing on a track, so the v6 in this case will be much more driveable, and will out accelerate the pug at pretty much any point in the rev range.

[V_Arse6]

Bah.  Screw the pug - when you plant your foot in second it's not going to sound like the VR.  And that's what puts a big grin on my face

How many of us actually go around the corners anywhere near the limits of the car all the time?  hardly anyone (well, I hope anyway)...  But how many of us are going to floor it and grin on dual carriageways and straight bits of A road?  lots.

Just my $0.02.