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Offline SRGTD

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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #110 on: 01 March 2023, 11:35 »
Wasn’t the software in the current generation of VAG’s MQB and MEB based cars the first to be developed by Cariad? (Cariad is an automotive software company and a 100% subsidiary of VW group).

I read that the decision to move software development in-house was seen as a way to remove dependency on third party software houses and to help control costs. If so, then with the benefit of hindsight, maybe it wasn’t the smartest move.
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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #111 on: 01 March 2023, 11:55 »
Quote from: SRGTD on 01 March 2023, 11:35
Wasn’t the software in the current generation of VAG’s MQB and MEB based cars the first to be developed by Cariad? (Cariad is an automotive software company and a 100% subsidiary of VW group).

I read that the decision to move software development in-house was seen as a way to remove dependency on third party software houses and to help control costs. If so, then with the benefit of hindsight, maybe it wasn’t the smartest move.

Yes as far as I know, everything up until 3 ish years ago was developed by someone else, someone big like Panasonic or something but they moved it all internally and messed it up.
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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #112 on: 01 March 2023, 12:20 »
Quote from: WelshGolf on 01 March 2023, 11:55
Quote from: SRGTD on 01 March 2023, 11:35
Wasn’t the software in the current generation of VAG’s MQB and MEB based cars the first to be developed by Cariad? (Cariad is an automotive software company and a 100% subsidiary of VW group).

I read that the decision to move software development in-house was seen as a way to remove dependency on third party software houses and to help control costs. If so, then with the benefit of hindsight, maybe it wasn’t the smartest move.

Yes as far as I know, everything up until 3 ish years ago was developed by someone else, someone big like Panasonic or something but they moved it all internally and messed it up.

Apparently, some scheduled premium vehicle launches from Audi, Porsche and Bentley also had to be moved back because of software development delays. I understand that it was the Cariad software issues that cost previous VW CEO his job.
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Offline Adam T7

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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #113 on: 01 March 2023, 12:56 »
Software companies develop Software, Car manufacturers manufacture cars.
Adam Smith sussed this out in the 18th Century, basic concepts haven’t changed.
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Offline BillSan

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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #114 on: 01 March 2023, 13:10 »
Adam Smith's lesson gets lost sometimes and car manufacturers couldn't resist the urge to do it themselves when they saw the bills from (and the profits being made by) software companies.   Greed is bad, in this case and most others.

Also should have paid the bucks to allow time for thorough development and testing.  Reputational damage will be severe.
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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #115 on: 01 March 2023, 13:18 »
Ive had the SOS message again this morning. Drove to work, turned the car off, started it back up and no SOS.
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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #116 on: 01 March 2023, 13:44 »
Even though my dealer is just up the road, I can’t be bothered going through the process of being without a car for a day, for them to say, either nothings wrong, or a part needs to changed that’s on back order. So just putting up with the intermittent bongs.
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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #117 on: 01 March 2023, 22:19 »
Quote from: M6TT F on 01 March 2023, 13:44
Even though my dealer is just up the road, I can’t be bothered going through the process of being without a car for a day, for them to say, either nothings wrong, or a part needs to changed that’s on back order. So just putting up with the intermittent bongs.

At least get it logged with them in case you still own the car out of warranty.

Book it in, get a loan car, pick up yours later in the day and realise how much better your car is than the loan car…  :smiley:
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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #118 on: 02 March 2023, 08:04 »
Quote from: Exonian on 01 March 2023, 22:19
Quote from: M6TT F on 01 March 2023, 13:44
Even though my dealer is just up the road, I can’t be bothered going through the process of being without a car for a day, for them to say, either nothings wrong, or a part needs to changed that’s on back order. So just putting up with the intermittent bongs.

At least get it logged with them in case you still own the car out of warranty.

Book it in, get a loan car, pick up yours later in the day and realise how much better your car is than the loan car…  :smiley:

Nope, it will most likely be gone in the next few months. If not, I’ll extend the warranty. Spent ages looking at options to swap, and there’s nothing that offers similar performance, or  floats my boat for similar money,
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Re: Avon calling!
« Reply #119 on: 02 March 2023, 21:52 »
Options are indeed limited if you want something similar bhp/££££ but with working software.

Decent discounts on T-Roc R’s atm and A35 AMG’s but…
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