Interested in buying a Mk7.5 Gti PP.

[willni]

A 1 series hatch really isn’t on the cards!

This is nice, but he wants 25k for it, which is too much.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211302161384

Madness how the market has gone, I got mine with 3k miles on it at the same price.

This probably doesn't help but I still really like the Edition 35's and even more the Edition 30's! Once you get away from the tech, they're still great cars. A 140i is also a nice in a last of its kind appeal, fuel economy not so nice.

In my experience since covid, you very much need to start taking scanners and paint gauges to view cars now even at dealers, I've never seen so much crap being funnelled for sale currently. I've seen budget tyres on m3's and tyres fitted the wrong way on Ferrari's not rotation ones the actual tyre mounted the wrong way...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208178873735?onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&model=Golf&keywords=edition%2035&advertising-location=at_cars&year-to=2023&postcode=bt275pr&include-delivery-option=on&sort=mileage&make=Volkswagen&radius=1500&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true

[Exonian]

Personally if I was going for a hatch over around 250bhp I would want RWD or 4WD

You only have to compare the Cupra acceleration times to that of a Golf R to see the difference it makes at lower, real world speeds.

There are only a few FWD cars that get much under 6.0 seconds 0-60 due to traction limitations, and it can make a car a handful in the corners.

That’s a whole debate in itself.
Life ain’t about 0 - 60’s, well mine isn’t!
But the fact there’s a gazillion R’s to every Clubsport or TCR sold shows many share your views.

0-60 is assuming all wheels pointing in the same direction, no traffic car sat behind you and good launch techniques.
4wd can bog down (owned an R and experienced it) plus carries more weight. Tyres are still limited to laws of physics, so overconfidence can lead to lateral adhesion limit discovery (a sideways skid or spin). Plenty of crashes R’s to prove it.

RWD in a short wheelbase high torque application? Better have quick reflexes!

FWD 290bhp with a clever diff that has many of the benefits of the R’s haldex laterally, an advanced traction control system and the ability to modulate a throttle pedal? Well this is a GTI forum after all, and a Cupra is just a faster GTI.

Thankfully we have lots of choice to match different wants, needs and preconceptions.

[joe6]

A 1 series hatch really isn’t on the cards!

This is nice, but he wants 25k for it, which is too much.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211302161384

Madness how the market has gone, I got mine with 3k miles on it at the same price.

This probably doesn't help but I still really like the Edition 35's and even more the Edition 30's! Once you get away from the tech, they're still great cars. A 140i is also a nice in a last of its kind appeal, fuel economy not so nice.

In my experience since covid, you very much need to start taking scanners and paint gauges to view cars now even at dealers, I've never seen so much crap being funnelled for sale currently. I've seen budget tyres on m3's and tyres fitted the wrong way on Ferrari's not rotation ones the actual tyre mounted the wrong way...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208178873735?onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&model=Golf&keywords=edition%2035&advertising-location=at_cars&year-to=2023&postcode=bt275pr&include-delivery-option=on&sort=mileage&make=Volkswagen&radius=1500&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true

Agree about madness. Mine had 3.8k and was a fair bit cheaper but without the audio saving 10k from new at 18 months old. Also agree that dealers are selling on cars with hidden histories so buyer beware.

[Exonian]

Very good points raised by Will.

And definitely worth keeping in mind the Ed30 and 35 as they were bulletproof, simple to maintain and lack the gimmicky tech the latest cars have (albeit they also lack the wonderful matrix LED’s) which should ensure less problems down the line.
Obviously subject to how the older car has been used and maintained.

[clubsport]

ED 30 / 35 are great cars, but I would put them in the hobby car rather than daily driver classifications now... A nice example will be hard to find at a good price after they have been around for so long.
Great cars if you are nostalgic for cambelt & waterpump services?

[symonh2000]

That’s a whole debate in itself.
Life ain’t about 0 - 60’s, well mine isn’t!
But the fact there’s a gazillion R’s to every Clubsport or TCR sold shows many share your views.

0-60 is assuming all wheels pointing in the same direction, no traffic car sat behind you and good launch techniques.
4wd can bog down (owned an R and experienced it) plus carries more weight. Tyres are still limited to laws of physics, so overconfidence can lead to lateral adhesion limit discovery (a sideways skid or spin). Plenty of crashes R’s to prove it.

RWD in a short wheelbase high torque application? Better have quick reflexes!

FWD 290bhp with a clever diff that has many of the benefits of the R’s haldex laterally, an advanced traction control system and the ability to modulate a throttle pedal? Well this is a GTI forum after all, and a Cupra is just a faster GTI.

Thankfully we have lots of choice to match different wants, needs and preconceptions.

0-60 isn't everything, but it a useful marker of a cars acceleration and how it puts power down.

I have had a few RWD cars and as long as they are treated with respect then there shouldn't be too many issues. I had a TVR Griffith for a couple of years, and got quite used to being careful in the wet and in tight corners. No traction control to save you with those and despite being a lot madder and younger then i survived without any spins or crashes.

The Golf FWD is a capable car but the wheelspin is annoying. I get that part of it is down to the tyres, but unless you get racing slicks and run them in the dry you are always going to be front traction limited to some degree. Either the wheels will spin or the traction control will cut the power. I find the worst times are exiting roundabouts and pulling away on an incline.

I would guess the reason so many R's get crashed is because they lull the driver into a false sense of security. They just grip with little feedback, until the laws of physics have been broken and you end up heading for the scenery.

[Exonian]

ED 30 / 35 are great cars, but I would put them in the hobby car rather than daily driver classifications now... A nice example will be hard to find at a good price after they have been around for so long.
Great cars if you are nostalgic for cambelt & waterpump services?

And exactly who wouldn’t relish a £600 bill for cam belt and water pump every couple years? 

Fine points raised clubsport, but mk5’s happily run to big ol’ mileages and I was thinking along the lines of a buyer using a bit of common sense as to their actual usage, for example homeworkers, public transport commuters, company van drivers and so on where the car will cover a low mileage and probably be a second car in the family.

Here’s a mate’s mk5 GTI, literally just taken today, 160k and still a tidy car, well serviced but not fiddled with constantly






symonh2000:

I’d feel safer and warmer in a 300 bhp Golf or Leon FWD’er than a TVR! 
Funnily enough the father of owner of the mk5 GTI above collects old TVR’s. Soul stirring machines.

I’ve had a series of high powered FWD Golfs over the years, some standard and some ECU tuned and I’ve never had massive issues with traction. Yes, I get the odd moment but I find generally just using the turbo boost to build naturally with gentle throttle input before flooring it gets the car into fast moving traffic situations without too much drama and the car still accelerates faster than most of the traffic on the road.
Mind you I’ve grown up with FWD hot hatches so it’s second nature to me.

Talking of 0-60 times, probably around 5.5 seconds would be a reasonable maximum for a FWD 1500 kg hot hatch no matter what the horsepower (happy to be proven wrong) but you could probably achieve that reasonably undramatically in a high horsepower using less than 100% throttle and about the same by mashing the pedal and wheel spinning through the first three gears.

[symonh2000]

TVR's are warm enough inside, in fact too hot. Due to the huge exhaust and engine the heat soaks though to the cabin and you wouldn't want to use on on a summers day with the roof up.

I would agree though they are not safe, my dad had a relatively minor accident in a Chimaera and broke his back and fractured his skull.

[Legacywr]

I could push to 25k. I would rather not though.

That Isaac blue car is nice, he tells me he’s been offered 25k by a dealer (surely he would have sold it???)

Well spec’d cars in the right colour are thin on the ground.

[willni]

I could push to 25k. I would rather not though.

That Isaac blue car is nice, he tells me he’s been offered 25k by a dealer (surely he would have sold it???)

Well spec’d cars in the right colour are thin on the ground.

My car is on 20.2k miles, has more options, two sets of alloys and pff'd front end and I was offered £21k for mine yesterday by the main dealer. Current trade in prices are £18.5k for poor condition and £21.5k for good cars.

With interest rates going up I wouldn't push to £25k and unless you're desperate for a car in the next month ie have to hand one back, just leave it on the back burner for a while you'll get a good car at the price you want to pay within 6 months.