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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #20 on: 02 September 2022, 17:59 »
The gpf kills off the dsg farts but the exhaust has a nice deep tone, perfect for me but perhaps not enough for some. Economy wise, on long slow runs I've had over 50mpg but that's rare. 40+ mpg on a steady run is easily achieved, less in cold weather. My commute is only 6 miles and I get 33-35 dropping to 28 in the winter. My current long term average is 38mpg, miles from a tank? I don't generally look but I'd estimate close to 400 miles and 450 on long journeys.

I had MPS4S on my last car and they were excellent, all year round too. Will probably get them again but the new Goodyears and Continentals sound promising too.
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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #21 on: 03 September 2022, 19:31 »
Jeez that’s good. Usually get about 260-280 miles from a tank!

Although I went to Cambridge and back today, about 170 miles and got 37mpg, best ever. Said I had a range of about 300 miles still but I’d never get near that. Don’t do motorway miles, and tend to drive like I’m being chased 🤣
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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #22 on: 03 September 2022, 20:01 »
Jeez that’s good. Usually get about 260-280 miles from a tank!

Although I went to Cambridge and back today, about 170 miles and got 37mpg, best ever. Said I had a range of about 300 miles still but I’d never get near that. Don’t do motorway miles, and tend to drive like I’m being chased 🤣

 :grin:

Just filled up today, good mix of driving, averaged 37mpg for the tank, 370 miles.
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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #23 on: 03 September 2022, 23:13 »
I'd like to see something with the 7.5 body shell. Custom BBS wheels, go to town on the suspension and steering feel to optimise handling. Maybe give it a little more power. Play with the ratios, add a short shift to the gearbox. Wishful thinking but you did ask!  :laugh:

I like your thinking there, wishful indeed though!

It’s interesting that you mention how Porsche stage manage who and how customers are allowed to buy their cars. It’s something clubsport has touched on before too. An enviable position for a manufacturer to be in.



Exonian has owned all three and has reviewed them a few times. I'm sure he'll be along sometime soon!

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Some say they’re dull but they’re not, it’s just hard to get the best out of them on public roads.
Utterly planted and very rapid, or sedate and solid. They can do it all. Not great on fuel though.

The Ed40 Clubsport much lighter on its toes, has the most character of any of the mk7’s.

TCR was the perfect swansong. It’s like everything VW learned about the mk7’s and everything they wanted to hone ready for the mk8 Clubsport was put into that model. For me it was the most aesthetically pleasing of all the mk7 generation along with the best GTI engine tune with the full fat 290 PS permanently available.
Just a shame it was DSG only.
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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #24 on: 05 September 2022, 12:12 »
Jeez that’s good. Usually get about 260-280 miles from a tank!

Although I went to Cambridge and back today, about 170 miles and got 37mpg, best ever. Said I had a range of about 300 miles still but I’d never get near that. Don’t do motorway miles, and tend to drive like I’m being chased 🤣

 :grin:

Just filled up today, good mix of driving, averaged 37mpg for the tank, 370 miles.

So, realistically I am only getting about 400-430 Max with normal driving in the GTD. If I coast behind lorries and drive like a granny I can get just under 500, but I am not doing that anymore. Petrol is cheaper, so it is probably working out about the same then. Defo even more tempted now. Especially, after seeing a Golf R at the weekend that had a valvetronic straight pipe. Nice and quiet in eco, then spits flames in race mode  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #25 on: 17 September 2022, 10:52 »
Jeez that’s good. Usually get about 260-280 miles from a tank!

Although I went to Cambridge and back today, about 170 miles and got 37mpg, best ever. Said I had a range of about 300 miles still but I’d never get near that. Don’t do motorway miles, and tend to drive like I’m being chased 🤣

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Just filled up today, good mix of driving, averaged 37mpg for the tank, 370 miles.

I just got back from Scotland in the TCR - about 400 miles with 41.2MPG. Think it's the best MPG I can recall getting.

There were a few fun runs where it might have been a little lower than that....  :evil:
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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #26 on: 17 September 2022, 12:43 »
Has anyone driven Clubsport and/or a TCR and an R. I am asking for comparison purposes? I am desperate for a MK7.5 R, but unsure whether to try a TCR or MK7 Clubsport (Thats if there are any CS for sale).

I love point and shoot cars like the R, but was wondering whether or not there is more character with a Clubsport or TCR as I would prioritise fun and character over crazy 0-60s.

As I said earlier, I've just done a lot of driving in the TCR and it's hard to think of a car which offers such versatility. I did seven hours behind the wheel on every type of road, surface and condition. I was tired but not beaten up which has been the case in other cars i've driven over equivalent periods and distances. Sure, it doesn't have 4Motion so 0-60 isn't the same as an R but that doesn't detract from it one bit. When faced with the choice, I didn't even consider the R.

Depends what you call character - assume handling characteristics versus styling and aesthetics. I've always found the R to be a bit sterile which is why I have always stayed with a GTI. Think TCR is a more interesting car personally and with a smaller production run, offers decent residuals too.

Both are great cars - I think there is a marginal level of 'refinement' on the 7.5 (the tail lights, infotainment for example) and you're more likely to find an example with lower mileage.


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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #27 on: 17 September 2022, 13:01 »
I'd like to see something with the 7.5 body shell. Custom BBS wheels, go to town on the suspension and steering feel to optimise handling. Maybe give it a little more power. Play with the ratios, add a short shift to the gearbox. Wishful thinking but you did ask!  :laugh:

I like your thinking there, wishful indeed though!

It’s interesting that you mention how Porsche stage manage who and how customers are allowed to buy their cars. It’s something clubsport has touched on before too. An enviable position for a manufacturer to be in.

There are vast forum topics devoted to the treatment of enthusiasts versus those that spend the most to access GT products that are in limited supply. What's more valuable to Porsche, the person who spends more or one that spends less but supports the brand? Porsche seem to have taken the view that it's the former and that the latter will grumble but stay loyal as long as they continue to create desirable cars.

I don't object to someone getting access if they spend more, that's just business but at the same time, dealers need to recognise that they create a walled garden and in fairness, they do try and share allocations across their biggest customers. You don't get everything,  you get to choose. What burns most people is the fact that someone will access a premium product, sell it back to the dealer at market value (say £100k over list) and the dealer then advertises that car as second hand stock with marginally above delivery miles thus getting a second bite of the cherry.

It's even worse for limited, numbered cars which attract collectors. It has largely come about since cars have become an asset class and I suspect it's going to get worse when Porsche goes to IPO. IMHO, it's the only reason that Ferrari made the Purosangue SUV.

TCR was the perfect swansong. It’s like everything VW learned about the mk7’s and everything they wanted to hone ready for the mk8 Clubsport was put into that model. For me it was the most aesthetically pleasing of all the mk7 generation along with the best GTI engine tune with the full fat 290 PS permanently available.
Just a shame it was DSG only.

I agree that it's a shame it was DSG only but they were trying to create a link to the race car I suspect and simplify production. I'd like it to have the feel of the Clubsport S - steering is quite numb in comparison. I do wonder about merging the best bits of both into one car but divorces are expensive...  :laugh:
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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #28 on: 17 September 2022, 13:57 »
I'd like it to have the feel of the Clubsport S - steering is quite numb in comparison. I do wonder about merging the best bits of both into one car but divorces are expensive...  :laugh:
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Re: Clubsport S vs R 20 Anniversary
« Reply #29 on: 17 September 2022, 22:50 »
I'd like it to have the feel of the Clubsport S - steering is quite numb in comparison. I do wonder about merging the best bits of both into one car but divorces are expensive...  :laugh:

AGB, changing to the CSS hubs for additional camber and swapping the rear front control arm bushes for the CSS one will significantly improve steering feel, turn in and grip. I’ve done this to my ED40 and love the result.

Interesting Paul, worth keeping in mind. For me the TCR is a great compromise. I would've liked a manual option too but there's not. However overall it's excellent and I'd thoroughly recommend one. I've been busy in mine this week, a return 280 mile trip that averaged over 46mpg and today, a 300+ mile trip. An brilliant car to do distances in.
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