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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #70 on: 25 July 2022, 19:42 »
I tried to add some "colour" to the base Cayman idea, you are literally unicorn hunting.....I doubt Porsche will let you order one. You can run numbers on configurators and finance calculations, it's all part of the game.

Have a look here at Porsche approved used cars,,,,,
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/search?condition=porsche_approved&model=718&category=718-cayman&body-type=coupe&minimum-registration-date=2019

None are base cars, they may be bottom of the Cayman & current Porsche range, but are equipped with various levels of extras, you can even spend £80k on a 2022 2.0L 300bhp Cayman if you are feeling irrationaly exuberant! 

Knock yourself out on autotrader with an £80k budget, I will be amazed if the 2.0L Cayman is where you spend it? :)

Earlier on in this thread the 718 with the 2.5L was mentioned, I have only driven one with a Pdk box, it is a torque monster and suits that box well. On track they genuinely surprise Porsche further up the hierachy.

To bring things back on track, if you have £40k to spend on a Golf 8 Clubsport, but are open to a second hand car, would you look any further than 400 PS Audi RS3 ?

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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #71 on: 26 July 2022, 06:00 »
My original post on the subject was purely hypothetical that Golfs can now cost the same as a base model Porsche new.
I very much agree with your point you need to pay more to save more in the long run when buying specialist cars like Porsches and hence my comparing how second hand Caymans can actually have lower monthly PCP costs than late second hand Golf R’s and Clubsports due to stronger residuals. I was actually using the Porsche UK used car selection rather than looking at independent sellers as the handy PCP calculator meant I could do direct comparisons between VW UK approved used and Porsche approved used.

I honestly don’t know what I’d buy with an £80k budget, I’ve never put myself in that position or thought about it. To me a large sum like £80k would go into property. I’m incredibly dull I’m afraid and have never had much ambition so expensive cars have always been something other people buy, my bar is set far lower.
I’d definitely not spend it on a 2.0 Cayman though!  :grin:
I doubt you’d get a 4.0 one for that(?)

£40k budget, I can remember not so long ago Audi dealers were knocking out vanilla RS3’s brand new for around that towards the end of the last generation. I did have a serious think about it at the time.
What does £40k buy now? Not so much I’d guess.
I paid £33k for my Clubsport 19 months ago, so I don’t think I’d stomach paying £40k for one now. If I was going over £40k on a Golf I’d push the boat a bit further and get an R with a few extras.
I’m not sure what I’d go for with a circa £40k budget to be honest. Nothing much floats my boat. Maybe I should do a bit of car window shopping, trouble is I tend to end up putting my money where my mouth is and inadvertently buy something. So a bad idea. I’m quite settled with my 8CS which is a rarity for me.
How much does a mint low mileage Clubsport S go for these days?
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #72 on: 26 July 2022, 08:30 »
My new cars have often been end of model purchases that provide good discounts and private sales for cars I am getting rid of. Maximising the pot o money available has been the priority rather than the latest gizmos. I did have the benefit of spot hiing for work and usually managed a merc or bmw or something similar to try by sweet talking the hie company. Made me realise how much hype and badge snobbery there was for some quite basic cars. The vw gti 7.5 for me hits the right buttons and was good value. Have driven an R but not a CS. Not sure any new car is good value now given other rising costs unless a company subsidized purchase. Given my substantial age my mk7.5pp will see me out! Enjoying the debate though. :smiley:
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #73 on: 26 July 2022, 08:57 »
Exonian, you asked about the value of a mk7 GTi CS,

This one sold last month on Collecting Cars;

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2016-volkswagen-golf-mk7-gti-clubsport-s

Including buyers fees that cost £51k.

This low (ish) but higher mileage example is currently available for £35,950

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106193991666?year-from=2016&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=br51je&include-delivery-option=on&model=Golf&advertising-location=at_cars&transmission=Manual&quantity-of-doors=3&body-type=Hatchback&radius=1500&make=Volkswagen&min-engine-power=250&year-to=2017&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=datedesc&keywords=clubsport&page=2&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true

The CS-S , especially in low mileage collector spec is now a commodity, the only tangible difference between the two cars above is the mileage,,,,,, if you plan to use the delivery mileage car, you will likely lose some of it's inherent value.

As a commodity that doesn't really tie in with the usable performance and practicality ethos of a performance Golf?

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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #74 on: 26 July 2022, 13:15 »
joe6, run out models tend to be by far the best purchases I’d agree. By that time nearly all the bugs have been ironed out (not that the 7th series Golf had that many) and quite often there’s a lot of extra kit for the money plus decent deals to be had.

clubsport, thanks for that. A CSS is a known quantity to me so it’s a useful reference point as to how a sought after VW rarity compares with the current spiralling prices (and APR rates) of newer cars.
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #75 on: 26 July 2022, 13:31 »
Did the OP also post on Pistonheads? If not, it is interesting to see what the posters there suggested as what to follow a GTI with...

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=&t=1995956to

alt link:
shorturl.at/bhnSU

« Last Edit: 26 July 2022, 14:02 by dfm »

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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #76 on: 26 July 2022, 13:50 »
Ha! Good spot dfm.
That link took me to the PH landing page as I’m not a member but after a quick scroll through the General Gassing I found it easily enough.
Quite a mix of suggestions, some quite funny, good to see someone else was on the Cayman page  :grin:
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #77 on: 26 July 2022, 15:47 »

What does £40k buy now? Not so much I’d guess.


I bought a new Tig Elegance 200TDI for my wife in April 21. It was a stock car and luckily the list price just snuck under the £40k bar. I had a cracking deal and paid just over £32k for it. Then it all went silly.

She has never really gelled with the Tig and much prefers to drive round in out 2013 Polo Rline day to day. The other day I had an email about the 'new' T-Roc, so I had a look. By the time I'd speced one up to have most of what our Tig has (albeit with just the 150TDI engine) I was north of £42k
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #78 on: 26 July 2022, 17:06 »
Much to wife annoyance, still not totally given up on keeping the TCR and have just done a Motorway (£26751) and WeBuyAnyCar valuation (£26810) which was surprised about, much less than thought given prices seeing them on Autotrader and much less than the quote the lease company gave me 2 months ago, and if lease company price remains about the same when ask again in September then it would an instant depreciation to what could get if sold straightaway.

You imagine that the dealer getting the car at that price would put straight on forecourt at £33-34,000 

TCR may keep their value down the line, much as good ED35 have, but feeling that its still too much for me to stretch too in current climate where you think there maybe will be a drop in second hand car prices down the line.
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Re: Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?
« Reply #79 on: 26 July 2022, 17:44 »
Did the OP also post on Pistonheads? If not, it is interesting to see what the posters there suggested as what to follow a GTI with...

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=&t=1995956to

alt link:
shorturl.at/bhnSU

Hah! That was me

Here's the proper link: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=255&t=1995956
« Last Edit: 26 July 2022, 17:46 by sjw »