Next car purchase following Mk7/7.5?

[clubsport]

Exonian, I don't know if you are aware of the "pink pig"?

Part of the reason some Porsche owners refer to their cars as "pork" can be blamed on the 917/20 Le Mans car.

The car was painted pink and the decals added, showed the cuts of meat you would find at a butcher shop!

https://www.excellence-mag.com/issues/273/articles/the-trufflehunter-of-zuffenhausen

Your long term Porsche owner friend will probably have heard of this?

Respec' to the 944 massive etc.....

[Exonian]

Ohh, that’s really interesting actually.
I had heard the pink pig term in the dim and distant past but had absolutely no idea that it had its origins there. I’d imagined it was to do with the shape (and colour obviously) of a 911 racer back in the day and a play on the old “Porker” name. 
Once upon a time (back in my teens) I worked in the motor trade briefly after I left college, in fact it started as a Saturday job when I was at college, and you’d get these creepy 1980’s car traders who were proper Arfur Daley types who’d come in to bid on part exchange cars taken in. These guys had their own slang and although they were bottom feeders by and large they always talked themselves up and would refer to Porsches as Porkers.
It made me dislike the term because I associated it with these guys.

Then fast forward to mk5 GTI days and the advent of the internet, I’d read mk5 owners discussing Porsche brake kit retrofits and other matters Porsche as “pork” and it just seemed so inappropriate and cringeworthy.

I’ve hated the term ever since.

But now I’m educated and I found the link really interesting
I love things like historic trivia (not that it’s a trivial thing really!) and it’s put a smile on my face on how they went about it. 

Anyway clubsport, if you’re ever in the West Country and want to show me a proper Porsche I’d love that. Or even just to talk Golf Clubsports.

Meantime we’d best get back to talking Golfs before our wrists are slapped…

[Exonian]

The cookies have been spying on me.
This vid just popped up in my suggestions.
Cheap pork (aaaaaarrrrrggghhh)
https://youtu.be/Uh87XuPAz8g

He is kind of coming from the same angle as me, especially as far as options go and the “buy one second hand” bit. Ok, prices will have firmed up considerably since that was shot but it’s still doable.
But rather than the 2.0 you could perhaps stretch to a used 2.5 with some extras (heed clubsport’s words of advice there from a person who knows) for similar money to a new 2.0. I think that would always be my choice, there’s no substituting a bit of displacement.

Or keep the 7.5 GTI and enjoy it.
Yep, keep the Golf…


no, buy the Porsche and let grandma use her bus pass

[Watts]

The cookies have been spying on me.
This vid just popped up in my suggestions.
Cheap pork (aaaaaarrrrrggghhh)
https://youtu.be/Uh87XuPAz8g

He is kind of coming from the same angle as me, especially as far as options go and the “buy one second hand” bit. Ok, prices will have firmed up considerably since that was shot but it’s still doable.
But rather than the 2.0 you could perhaps stretch to a used 2.5 with some extras (heed clubsport’s words of advice there from a person who knows) for similar money to a new 2.0. I think that would always be my choice, there’s no substituting a bit of displacement.

Or keep the 7.5 GTI and enjoy it.
Yep, keep the Golf…


no, buy the Porsche and let grandma use her bus pass

I've been getting a bit itchy in the Autotrader department. Been looking at TTS/RS, Boxster/Cayman (all used) but each time I go out in the GTI I think why would I change? Stupid idea! I fully understand why those in GTIPs think the change to a TCR is of questionable value but I'm glad I did, it feels a different car to drive and all the little differences really do add up.

As for, in this case, my mum getting in a Porsche, she can barely get in the Golf so a moot point for me!

[sjw]

I've been getting a bit itchy in the Autotrader department. Been looking at TTS/RS, Boxster/Cayman (all used) but each time I go out in the GTI I think why would I change? Stupid idea!

This pretty much sums up my life right now  Even more so now my GTI is no longer under finance. What's the point? Do I need anything more? It's purely a want, and one I just don't have the cash for right now. Would have to finance again, and that would feel like a backwards step.

[willni]

Is no one going to take a Brave Pill and buy a Honda S2000? 

[Meister]

It’ll be interesting to see how the new Type R Civic launches at price wise. Much less gaudy than the previous gen and has a proper gearbox.

https://youtu.be/Sa5a0wMVGDY if you can stomach an excitable American


Going back to the Cayman, Meister, with inflation running at 10%+ your £22k is depreciating quite rapidly even allowing for car market weirdness forcing prices sky high. To move forward you’d have to swallow your principles (as I did too) and borrow money or settle long term with what you have.

On the assumption you can stomach a PCP then a used Cayman actually stacks up well £ for £ compared to a used GTI/R when comparing respective main dealer deals. I just sat and ran some figures.

Interest rates on personal loans can still be had at quite reasonable APR rates though, even if mortgages and PCP % rates are creeping upwards.

Yes good point Exonian, but still think the 7.5 looks far better compared to the new Civic Type R (based on pictures).

I would never purchase a car on finance and always buy outright (far more cost effective!), therefore even though I can afford it, based on principle I would feel hesitant going any higher than 25k overall!

[Meister]

I’d be shooed out of a Porsche showroom with a broom as soon as they clapped eyes on me I’m sure.
I can understand their attitude and I’d not want a standard spec car but I’m sure costs could be kept reasonable so long as you only picked items you actually needed rather than showing off with your chequebook buying a load of frippery.
It was the affordability of used examples that surprised me more. What also surprised me was how many examples had multiple owners.

I didn’t seriously think many people would buy one over a Golf, I was highlighting more how much Golfs are now compared to a bottom end Porsche.
Still, 300PS in a low slung not overly heavy mid engined car isn’t too shabby. Most of the driving aid crap I’d happily forego but bits that actually added to driver enjoyment I’d plump for. Manual gearbox - tick.

Yes just looked on the Porsche used market, and am also shocked how relatively good value a lot of the Caymans are (certainly when compared to prices of new and nearly new golfs). Regardless of the equipment levels, I think the Cayman is a step up in most ways and would probably hold far more future value on the used market. Definitely the manual box, I agree!
The servicing costs would partially put me off the idea of a Porsche though, but definitely food for thought!

[Meister]

I always used to buy outright a 12 to 18 month old GTI for no more than 22k (which is my limit!). Now 22k doesn't seem to buy much at all

There are two sides to that.

What did you pay for current car, and how much is it worth now?

Cost to change is more important than screen price.

I paid just over £17k for mine about 2.5 years ago. It's still worth that today, so I know full well the next car will have a higher screen price than the current one.

Yes I know! On my 20th car now so well aware haha. Price to change would historically have been 5-6k to get a car 2 years newer. Now that would be 12-15k. INSANE! What mine is worth in money value is totally irrelevant in a sense.

[Exonian]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as far as the Civic goes.
This is a Japanese version of stylish: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgGfKdejNXb/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
 

I said in my first post about the Cayman that I know nothing about Porsches in the hope that one of our resident Porsche owners would chip in and tell us the state of play as it’s more of a specialist market (similar to special edition Golfs in some ways) and clubsport brought up some very useful insights.
Used examples do seem to offer decent value despite being very close to retail in some cases (no differently to Golfs at the moment to be fair) and would comply more with acceptable spec than a basic base model we can now appreciate. Using the Porsche PCP calculator it shows how solid the residuals should be as the monthlies are actually less than a couple of VW’s I ran quotes on just to compare. Therefore as a cash purchase they should make a decent proposition.
As you say, quality, engineering and dynamics are likely leagues ahead of their people’s car brethren.
Servicing and parts costs might be leagues ahead too!

I used to be in the “only pay cash” camp but gradually weakened into bank loan assistance and then finally with the current car a PCP as the years rolled by.
The thought of the interest I’m paying horrifies me but as the saying goes, you can’t take it with you. In fact in my case it’s spend it quick before the kids want yet another “loan”