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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #150 on: 03 April 2022, 09:50 »
Quote from: willni on 02 April 2022, 19:08

Unfortunately not coming to the UK.

Manual only so probably falls foul of the same emissions regs that killed the manual 300PS (and above) Golfs etc.

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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #151 on: 03 April 2022, 13:10 »
Quote from: Exonian on 03 April 2022, 09:50
Quote from: willni on 02 April 2022, 19:08

Unfortunately not coming to the UK.

Manual only so probably falls foul of the same emissions regs that killed the manual 300PS (and above) Golfs etc.

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I doubt that had anything to do with Toyota's decision. Fitting a typical dual-clutch auto box generally only reduces CO2 emissions by a tiny amount (if anything), and typically adds 25-30 kg of extra weight. I can't find comparative figures for the mk7.5 Golf R (which was originally available as both manual and auto), but the official VW CO2 figures for the basic mk8 Golf GTI (245 PS) quote 168-173 g/km for the 6-speed manual and 167-172 g/km for the 7-speed DSG. In other words, no difference. To take a more extreme (high BHP) example, I looked up the data for the current Porsche Cayman GTS (400 PS) and the "combined" CO2 figures for the manual and auto (PDK) versions are very similar (230 g/km for the PDK and 230-247 g/km for the manual).

The official reason that VW and Audi stopped offering the manual option in the R and the TTS was always stated as "declining customer demand", rather than anything to do with emissions regulations. Same with BMW and the M135i / 128ti. Nonetheless, the fact that the GR Yaris is only available with a manual gearbox doesn't seem to have hurt its sales as the car is in huge demand.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #152 on: 03 April 2022, 13:32 »
I must admit, I’ve never ever looked at CO2 figures.
I was always under the impression that it was stated as emissions reasons but I was probably wrong, nothing unusual there!  :grin:

As you say, the GR Yaris is sought after (as a niche vehicle) and the Civic Type R is manual only plus a few other notable hot hatches which all sell fairly well.
The Golf R I can see attracting buyers that prefer DSG but I’d have thought there would be decent demand for Clubsports in manual guise.
Who knows. Not me that’s for sure.
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #153 on: 06 April 2022, 13:24 »
As Exonian says, there is a degree of "peacocking" in owning the new breed of hyper hatches. Having said that, we could say that about GTDs, GTIs and Rs, we don't need the performance but we want it and we love our cars. I have owned a Mk6 GTD, Mk7 GTD and Mk7.5R which have all been more car than I've realistically needed. For the last month I have owned a new Audi RS3 carbon black saloon and I can confirm that at 61 it has made me look younger, even more handsome and a much better lover - so with every penny   :smiley:
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #154 on: 06 April 2022, 15:14 »
Quote from: Dervy on 06 April 2022, 13:24
As Exonian says, there is a degree of "peacocking" in owning the new breed of hyper hatches. Having said that, we could say that about GTDs, GTIs and Rs, we don't need the performance but we want it and we love our cars. I have owned a Mk6 GTD, Mk7 GTD and Mk7.5R which have all been more car than I've realistically needed. For the last month I have owned a new Audi RS3 carbon black saloon and I can confirm that at 61 it has made me look younger, even more handsome and a much better lover - so with every penny   :smiley:

What's it like on your back though?  :whistle:
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #155 on: 06 April 2022, 18:18 »
Quote from: Dervy on 06 April 2022, 13:24
As Exonian says, there is a degree of "peacocking" in owning the new breed of hyper hatches. Having said that, we could say that about GTDs, GTIs and Rs, we don't need the performance but we want it and we love our cars. I have owned a Mk6 GTD, Mk7 GTD and Mk7.5R which have all been more car than I've realistically needed. For the last month I have owned a new Audi RS3 carbon black saloon and I can confirm that at 61 it has made me look younger, even more handsome and a much better lover - so with every penny   :smiley:

That's my philosophy and I get my back massaged as well :laugh:
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #156 on: 10 April 2022, 13:23 »
Normally I hate SUV’s but I do like T-Roc R’s

New facelifted version still uses old R engine not the 320PS but…


… the good news is it means Estoril alloys are now made in ET44

https://youtu.be/O2nTSsAk5MU
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #157 on: 13 April 2022, 15:30 »
Just ordered a BMW 128 ti Alpine White on 18" (with performance tyres) + just £750 options, due sometime whenever  :laugh:(Hopefully October)

In comparison to the VAG options, a bargain.

Never had a BMW before as personally always been quite rear wheel averse despite the contention its the best way to experience a car (which 100% get on a track, but not on roads), but having test drove a black 128 Ti at weekend, the feeling was that timing is good to jump in, as experience will be the meshing of BMW/GTI experience.

Intention is to keep the TCR to replace the A1 we have till nearer time to finalise that, but very likely as imagine this be last company car way whole thing is going in price and diminishing attractive options, and so TCR will be the long term 10+ year keeper.

Will give thoughts, many months from now :)
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #158 on: 13 April 2022, 19:59 »
Congrats Hertsman  :cool:
A good choice, similar recipe to a GTI but a different flavour.
We will be looking forward to your impressions of it in due course.
I hope the heated steering wheel was optioned, it’s the best feature of the mk8 IMO and I have no idea how I managed 50 odd years without one!   :laugh:
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Re: You don’t fancy an 8R?
« Reply #159 on: 13 April 2022, 20:46 »
Quote from: Exonian on 13 April 2022, 19:59
Congrats Hertsman  :cool:
A good choice, similar recipe to a GTI but a different flavour.
We will be looking forward to your impressions of it in due course.
I hope the heated steering wheel was optioned, it’s the best feature of the mk8 IMO and I have no idea how I managed 50 odd years without one!   :laugh:

That’s the feeling that be getting some of the BMW interior feel and quality while retaining all that love about the GTI, be a while but will let everyone know how that goes

Skipped right past the heated steering wheel, which was £150 mainly as never really considered holding wheel in any weather to be something every worried on as everything soon heats up and that wanted to keep this lease tight and stuck to what felt were essentials though there was not anything on options burningly wanted as all the wants were there in price

Made the order now though could still add it, so convince me some more  :smiley:
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