Where to do an engine swap GTD to GTI? I don't want to just trade my GTD>>GTI.

[Guzzle]

Correct, not in the same league as the R for performance.

[Ej1749]

The old adage "never build what you can buy" has never been more appropriate.

A tuned GTD with 4 wheel drive on the other hand...

Audi already have the right gearbox, and my understanding is the rear subframes are interchangeable with just the spare wheel well needing modifying to make room for the diff.

Ooohh this is really interesting as I have always had in the back of my mind that the equivalent A3 that has 184bhp as standard was 4wd. Thank you for this info I'm defo going to look into this    The only thing that does cross my mind is that it may not be as fun as FWD. However, if it can be done I'll defo do it and defo post all about it.

[jv]

Some names that spring to mind for the more nuts car work:
VW Enterprise
PSI Tuning
JBS Autodesign

Anything is possible 

[Ej1749]

That's going to be one expensive modification when you consider all the other bits you'll need to swap. Probably quite a bit more than the cost of simply swapping the GTD for a GTI. You'll potentially also be left with a car that's less capable than a 'proper' GTI, harder to insure and harder to sell on.

But if that's what you really wanna do, then best of luck to you. Hope it goes well.

Yeah not being as capable as a GTI is a worry. However, the good news is I actually own a small insurance company so I can self insure. Although we don't do motor yet, but I'm sure I could do a one off policy for myself as the car is only worth about 10K. I also want to keep the car as a collectors as 2030 is when they ban new combustion engines and I always want to have something from the past.

[Ej1749]

Some names that spring to mind for the more nuts car work:
VW Enterprise
PSI Tuning
JBS Autodesign

Anything is possible 

This is really helpful! Thank you for this as I'm new to the VW tuning scene so trying to work my way around the industry to get to know where to go for different things.

[fredgroves]

That's going to be one expensive modification when you consider all the other bits you'll need to swap. Probably quite a bit more than the cost of simply swapping the GTD for a GTI. You'll potentially also be left with a car that's less capable than a 'proper' GTI, harder to insure and harder to sell on.

But if that's what you really wanna do, then best of luck to you. Hope it goes well.

Yeah not being as capable as a GTI is a worry. However, the good news is I actually own a small insurance company so I can self insure. Although we don't do motor yet, but I'm sure I could do a one off policy for myself as the car is only worth about 10K. I also want to keep the car as a collectors as 2030 is when they ban new combustion engines and I always want to have something from the past.

Doesn't your insurance policy have to be from a company registered with the MIB?

Its either that or you can deposit something like £10m with the DoT in lieu of insurance and that fund is used to guarantee pay out of your third party claims (its how large fleet operators do it, if you don't have any incidents its actually cheaper!)

[Ej1749]

That's going to be one expensive modification when you consider all the other bits you'll need to swap. Probably quite a bit more than the cost of simply swapping the GTD for a GTI. You'll potentially also be left with a car that's less capable than a 'proper' GTI, harder to insure and harder to sell on.

But if that's what you really wanna do, then best of luck to you. Hope it goes well.

Yeah not being as capable as a GTI is a worry. However, the good news is I actually own a small insurance company so I can self insure. Although we don't do motor yet, but I'm sure I could do a one off policy for myself as the car is only worth about 10K. I also want to keep the car as a collectors as 2030 is when they ban new combustion engines and I always want to have something from the past.

Doesn't your insurance policy have to be from a company registered with the MIB?

Its either that or you can deposit something like £10m with the DoT in lieu of insurance and that fund is used to guarantee pay out of your third party claims (its how large fleet operators do it, if you don't have any incidents its actually cheaper!)

Yes, that's correct - A relationship with the MIB would need to be in place through either the insurer or the issuing broker. I know all the in's and out's of the MIB as I used to work for an insurance company many moons ago and the insurer and brokers need to upload to the MIB within 1 hour of the policy being incepted or they can be fined.

However, what I would do is a loophole and join it through another insurance company with someone I know, kind of like a combined insurance policy so that I didn't need any reserving's for 3rd party claims which is what the 10m would be for. It's very technical, but it works as the most important aspect is the 3rd party of course. Although, I have just spoken to an insurer from compare the market and they said all I would need to do if I converted to 4WD is click "engine modification" which ahs increased my premium by about £20 hahaha so it's all good! I've asked for it in writing as well to cover my own ass! 

[fredgroves]

Glad you know what you are doing, I'm just an amateur at most things, but collect piles of useless crap in my brain.

That snippet was from a discussion I had with our fleet manager a while back.

£20 extra for "I've modified the engine in an unspecified way" sounds....cheap. Would a W12 engine fit in??? 

[Ej1749]

Glad you know what you are doing, I'm just an amateur at most things, but collect piles of useless crap in my brain.

That snippet was from a discussion I had with our fleet manager a while back.

£20 extra for "I've modified the engine in an unspecified way" sounds....cheap. Would a W12 engine fit in??? 

Haha tbf I just say big words to make me sound intelligent  Didn't they put a W12 engine in one and show it on top gear about ten years ago, I seem to remember it struggling to stay in a straight line and then spinning at every corner? Hahaha

[SRGTD]

I have just spoken to an insurer from compare the market and they said all I would need to do if I converted to 4WD is click "engine modification" which ahs increased my premium by about £20 hahaha so it's all good! I've asked for it in writing as well to cover my own ass! 

Just a thought, but are there any vehicle inspection requirements or tests (similar to IVA for imported or kit cars) if substantial modifications are made to a car, such as converting a GTD to a 4WD GTI?

Is converting a FWD car to 4WD really considered to be an engine modification and not a drivetrain modification? Insurance aggregator sites such as Compare the Market, Moneysupermarket and the like are geared to writing predominantly large volumes of standard, unmodified insurance risks, with provision to cover some of the more straightforward modifications; e.g. a different set of alloy wheels. Insurers with products on Compare the Market etc. aren’t really interested in heavily modified cars - that’s not their area of specialisation - so may not have the technical know-how to handle this business.

With the modifications you’re planning, I think it’d be advisable to speak to either an insurance broker who specialises in placing (heavily) modified cars with specialist insurers who regularly write these types of risk, or speak direct to a specialist insurer of modified cars. They will have staff who are technically and mechanically minded and who’ll understand and fully appreciate the modifications you’re planning. That way, you should have the confidence of knowing you’re fully covered, and not just relying on your policy documents showing your car has ‘engine modifications’ with no mention of it being converted from FWD to 4WD.