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Offline fredgroves

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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #30 on: 17 January 2021, 11:59 »
One thing I will say is that its a one time decision - nobody would ever suggest retro-fitting DCC.... it would cost a very large sum indeed.

There are other adjustable ride non-OEM suspension systems you could fit, I've never seen anyone do it to a Mk7 Golf though.
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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #31 on: 17 January 2021, 12:03 »
Welcome Marco from Milano!

Add in the complexity of extra valving and all you get is extra delay.


That's absolutely what concerns me the most. This car will probably be my last before moving to a Lexus or whatever.

With the Mini I'm used to be super-connected to the road and have ultra-fast response.
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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #32 on: 17 January 2021, 12:06 »
In my experience a Golf doesn't drive anything like a Mini - that rollerskate go kart feeling you get from a sporty mini model is not replicated in the Golf under any circumstance... you might be worrying about something you won't ever see...
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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #33 on: 17 January 2021, 13:23 »

I’m going to fly in the face of everyone else in the world, VW engineers included, and say no, you do not *need* DCC.


Everyone else who is anybody as far as expert authority goes will disagree with me but that’s my uneducated take on it.

I would trust Exonian on this rather than the engineers.

There was a good piece on handling in June 2019 Evo (no 261) in which several top engineers were interviewed. One of the questions was " what do you think will be the next big thing in chassis development". Almost all of them talked about active suspension systems- and all seemed enthusiastic about it.

I think they're being a bit lazy.  I want them to set the car up properly for the brief that's given for that car.
I want a practical car that's comfortable and fun to drive on a public road. Once the suspension is set up for that, it doesn't need to be changed. I'm never driving on an absolutely smooth racing track. Neither am I ever driving on really terrible roads. Nor do I expect- or even want- it to drive like a limo.

I think also that some of this is driven by marketing. People want stuff to mess with. It's why " graphic equalizers" were popular on low end 80s hifi. Have you seen how few buttons you get on quality hifi?

I'm fairly sure that if I specced a car with dcc, I'd work out which setting is best-for the use that I make of the car- and just leave it at that for my entire ownership.
Just like I have for the steering, throttle, and Dynaudio settings.

If the engineers set it up properly in the first place- assuming you're not intending to use the car on track- you don't need the cost and complexity of an active system.
I'm not interested in graphic equalizers!
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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #34 on: 17 January 2021, 13:25 »
Oh, one more thing I agree with Exonian on- in the 80s/90s- Peugeot did it best. Since the mk5 golf, VW have done it best
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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #35 on: 17 January 2021, 14:00 »
So far my idea is...

DCC adds scope to the car in terms of comfort, especially with 19s, but it's not a game changer for sharp sports driving.

I will test the car with DCC. If I like it and manage to squeak it into the budget, good.

If it really doesn't fit the budget, it might not be a complete disaster especially with the 18s.
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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #36 on: 17 January 2021, 16:54 »
I test drove one on eighteens without dcc. Seriously it was fine. Really flat handling, firm but not harsh (unlike the 128ti) i would have no hesitation to buying one like that.

I wanted nineteens and didn't get a chance to try that without dcc. After a painful day with the BMW i wasn't about to risk that turning out bad.

In a perfect world I'd have got another test drive and found out the answer.
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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #37 on: 17 January 2021, 17:13 »
DCC is very subjective. What's acceptable to one person isn't to another. Largely depends on what someone is used to and have driven before. The only way to really tell is to have test drives with/without. Obviously we can't have those at the mo - when they restart, I don't imagine there will be many demos with 18" & DCC though.

FWIW I test drove a non-DCC on 18" and found it a bit harsh. But then I'm used to a softer suspension. Seats have a part to play as well. I found the Mk 8 seats rather nice n comfy.

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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #38 on: 17 January 2021, 17:24 »
But if you buy a new car and have 1000£ on options, the DCC is the first thing you should pick!. This must be one of the cheapest option that is crazu expensive to retro fit!... :whistle:

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Re: DCC system, is it a must have on the MK8?
« Reply #39 on: 17 January 2021, 17:33 »
If I order a Mk 8, DCC will the first option I pick. That doesn't help those who are looking to pick up a stock car and are debating what options they can live without though. Last time I looked on AT, all the Mk 8s with DCC are on 19". Ok if you want 19" I guess.