Fred's surprise Munich Trip... guess what...

[Exonian]

Ahh, a proper BMW!
A bit like with the mk8 Golf, I think the styling will be badly received but eventually semi-forgiven and the current design vogue is evident in both with sharp creases and blends of curves and straight lines, not to mention the gaping gobs.

Definitely looks like haptics on the steering wheel, the 1 series has haptic buttons around the iDrive wheel knob too. The latter not feeling quite as vague as VW’s but very flat in design so completely lacking in any pleasant tactility.

Roll on the Electric JCW as that’s the first electric car that actually intrigues me, subject to what it actually ends up looking and driving like. 

[fredgroves]

I was waiting for the inside story on the i30N test drive, so little disappointed I might have to do my own research now. Recent youtube video was Rory Reid driving it and as others have commented elsewhere, it does seem to have a harsh ride but not sure whether the reviews I've seen are new enought to take in the revised suspension settings.

If you want to see some track madness.... have a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayywmZ1S_GA

GTI vs ST and I30n.

I know you are unlikely to choose a car based on such a piece of nonsense but check out that result!

[AndyGTI]

I was waiting for the inside story on the i30N test drive, so little disappointed I might have to do my own research now. Recent youtube video was Rory Reid driving it and as others have commented elsewhere, it does seem to have a harsh ride but not sure whether the reviews I've seen are new enought to take in the revised suspension settings.

If you want to see some track madness.... have a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayywmZ1S_GA

GTI vs ST and I30n.

I know you are unlikely to choose a car based on such a piece of nonsense but check out that result!

Thanks Fred.  That is really useful as my trip to the supermarket is just like that and I try and do it in 2 minutes as well.

Clearly it’s the ST I should be looking at.😂😂😂😂

But seriously, I wasn’t expecting GTI over N. Can argue ST has most (marginal) power but thought the i30N might shine a little more in its lap time. Obviously what is does show is how it’s not all about power if Golf can split the 270ish cars.

I realise a hell of lot of variables etc but just on the three lap times and what we know of cars. Of course the answer really is, how is this really going to affect anyone in real world on real roads.

Thanks for sharing

[fredgroves]

Probably that and the clubby getting better of a type R tells us that people who drive Golfs are nutters 😂

[Watts]

But seriously, I wasn’t expecting GTI over N. Can argue ST has most (marginal) power but thought the i30N might shine a little more in its lap time. Obviously what is does show is how it’s not all about power if Golf can split the 270ish cars.

I realise a hell of lot of variables etc but just on the three lap times and what we know of cars. Of course the answer really is, how is this really going to affect anyone in real world on real roads.

Thanks for sharing

The i30N was let down by the p-zeros. I have those and can confirm that they are disappointing in anything other than warm and dry conditions. Even then they aren't great.

[AndyGTI]

But seriously, I wasn’t expecting GTI over N. Can argue ST has most (marginal) power but thought the i30N might shine a little more in its lap time. Obviously what is does show is how it’s not all about power if Golf can split the 270ish cars.

I realise a hell of lot of variables etc but just on the three lap times and what we know of cars. Of course the answer really is, how is this really going to affect anyone in real world on real roads.

Thanks for sharing

The i30N was let down by the p-zeros. I have those and can confirm that they are disappointing in anything other than warm and dry conditions. Even then they aren't great.

Always seems funny that manufacturers say the car is fitted with "x" tyres that have been developed specially for the car... but it appears they are useless when the cars hit the street and we can't wait to switch to another brand

[fredgroves]

"specially developed" usually means "best price secured for a mutli year supply contract"

Always remember that your aircraft was built by the lowest bidder...

[AndyGTI]

"specially developed" usually means "best price secured for a mutli year supply contract"

Always remember that your aircraft was built by the lowest bidder...

 

[Guzzle]

Tyres developed specially for the car? These kind of statements need to go with a huge dose of salt.

Weather / climate / road surface are huge factors in the performance and effectiveness of a tyre, regardless of which car they're fitted to.

Don't forget people in Germany and colder parts of Europe take their summer tyres off for several months of the year and swap them for something more suitable, whereas most of us Brits soldier on with the same tyres we'd use when the temperature is in the high 20°C's? 

[Al1040]

"specially developed" usually means "best price secured for a mutli year supply contract"

Always remember that your aircraft was built by the lowest bidder...

and built to a reduced spec in the cheapest region possible which bears little resemblance to the tyre you might buy from the shop other than in name!!