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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #30 on: 13 August 2020, 10:51 »

.........Secondly, some would argue that the gti is too refined for a car of this type-why else would they enhance the cabin noise artificially?..............


Probably more to do with most manufacturers pumping in artificial engine noise and not wanting to fall behind with everyone else.
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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #31 on: 13 August 2020, 11:18 »
Are you referring to ride when you describe it as “ crashy”? This is not my experience- one of the first things I noticed when I bought my gti was how good the ride was for a car that was so composed in fast bends.
Secondly, some would argue that the gti is too refined for a car of this type-why else would they enhance the cabin noise artificially?
Road noise may be more of an issue, certainly on the factory fit bridgestones.

No, not the ride per se (if, by ride, you mean handling and composure of the suspension etc), but the overall experience as to how the car’s transit along the road is transmitted into the cabin as unwanted noise…

So, the best I can describe how I am using the term “crashy” is that when going over rough surfaces, pot holes, railway crossings, cattle grids etc, much more of the immediate noise is transmitted into the cabin in a jarring way.. Hitting a nasty pothole is a sharp bang, not a more muted thud… running across a cattle grid has a harsher sound…

I am not saying it has jiggly handling or anything like that (my old 3-series on run-on-flat tyres was more jiggly, for instance)…

It is, in essence, refinement that I am referring to… It is possible to present a taught and focussed ride/drive without the crashiness… I have been fortunate to drive quite a few different performance cars over my various car ownerships and many have handled and ride better than a GTI without necessarily being as “unrefined”…

Cabin noise, to me, has two elements, those things that enhance your experience of the drive and those that don’t… I just figured, for me, the BMW had a better ratio between the two than I felt my GTI has…

I am on 19’ wheels with Pirelli factory fit tyres, by the way… and I use the “individual” setting to minimise the “enhanced” sound…



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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #32 on: 13 August 2020, 11:23 »
I'd agree that the M135i is much quieter - indeed most reviews talk about how it has very little road noise.

That's not to say its silent like a library - you hear the engine and the exhaust, you just don't hear suspension noise, tyre noise and wind noise.

Very noticeable when you get back into your Mk7.x Golf after....
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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #33 on: 13 August 2020, 11:37 »
I'd agree that the M135i is much quieter - indeed most reviews talk about how it has very little road noise.

That's not to say its silent like a library - you hear the engine and the exhaust, you just don't hear suspension noise, tyre noise and wind noise.

Very noticeable when you get back into your Mk7.x Golf after....

Right.. This, exactly, was my experience.. It's like BMW have tuned out more of the unwanted noises and left in some of the more wanted ones... The BMW is not quiet in an unwanted way...

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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #34 on: 13 August 2020, 11:38 »


I can do you a great deal on a res delete, that should cure all other noises immediately!  :grin:

In all serious, doesn't sound like normal to have all those rattles.

Res delete..?

No, I have never had a car with so many different rattles etc... and what is worrying me is that there are more now than there were to start with and I have only done 8800 miles or so....

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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #35 on: 13 August 2020, 12:12 »

.........Secondly, some would argue that the gti is too refined for a car of this type-why else would they enhance the cabin noise artificially?..............


Probably more to do with most manufacturers pumping in artificial engine noise and not wanting to fall behind with everyone else.

It’s a crap sound, seems universally disliked. I assume vw will keep it for the mk8 Gti?
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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #36 on: 13 August 2020, 12:17 »
@DaveA. Your thread shows that no car can be “ all things to all men”.
It’s not refined enough for some, not raw and thrilling enough for others.
As for the rattles, I think you’ve got pretty unlucky with the quality of your car
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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #37 on: 13 August 2020, 12:54 »
If I ever my my Mk7.5 with the radio off (not VERY likely) it does drive me mad I have to say. The noise from the rear is horrible and any passengers in the rear struggle to have a conversation with me.

I can't hear either with Radio 4 on or with Motorhead's No Sleep Til Hammersmith (one of my fave pieces of classical music)...

Fixes both annoying passengers and Golf noise.

If I filled the boot with pillows, maybe it was quieter?
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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #38 on: 13 August 2020, 13:24 »
You know, I'm genuinely not seeing that ?

The only thing I can attribute that to is that a) I'm not dialled into the noise as some people here or b) that I have a "false" floor under the main boot floor that sits on top of the spare wheel / Sub-woofer with a heavy carpet insert in it (to act as a shelf for storing items under the main floor panel)? But overall, I don't find road noise, wind noise etc at all objectionable on the GTI (and never did on the GTD's either, although there were a little louder). I certainly for 100% don't have a myriad of rattle or squeaks in the car, from that perspective it's commendably quiet.

Also, don't always believe the grass is greener on the other side as BMW are far from perfect either. Whilst I would generally agree that the interior fit and finish of the 1 series is better than that of the MK7.5, it's not leaps and bounds (at least that's my personal impression) and indeed I thought some of the lower down plastics were actually of a worse quality than VW. Where the 1 series scores over the Golf is that it's a brand new platform with the latest hardware and software, whereas the Golf 7 is essentially an 8 year old design.

I've been over on the 1 series forums and there are for sure a lot of ex GTI and R owners making the switch across to the M series, but hand on heart, is that really because it's perceived as a better quality product, and mainly the fact that owners that were perhaps looking for a natural upgrade to the MK8 GTI and R, are just not feeling the MK8 Golf and are somewhat disappointed and underwhelmed with what they see ? I think the M135i is perhaps what MK7.5 and 7 owners where looking for in a MK8 Golf maybe ?I've also been on the 3 series forum as well (another consideration for me), and whilst it's obviously a different class of car to a Golf, they are not without their own problems, and it seems BMW's online software updates can easily brick your car (and have done to a few members).

One thing I am pretty certain about is that when it comes time to part with my GTI (whenever that is), i'm 90% sure that a MK8 won't be a consideration for me as I just don't like what I see. I'm also not feeling the Mercedes Benz A class (have loads of them at work), so by the process of elimination, BMW sort of rises above the other choices, as for me, it's the most Golf like (I know, a compliment and an insult all in one).

For me, the 1 series caters very well for existing and perspective R owners, as they are very similar cars in many ways (i.e size, AWD, power, performance etc), but but us GTI owners, there's a gaping hole in the engine line up with the 1 series. You either have a choice in petrol of a 3 cylinder 140hp model (118i) or the full fat M135i (at nearly £38k before options) and nothing in-between. There's definitely a market I think for a FWD 120i with a de-tuned M135i engine producing 220-250ps for example. Add on metallic and adaptive cruise control pack and you are precariously close to £40k and the dreaded luxury tax bracket.   

The second issue for me as a private buyer is depreciation. I've looked at a March 2020 M135i with options to a list of £43.5k with 5500 miles, being sold for £31,500 (before negotiations) that's nearly a 28% devaluation in 5 months. Similarly I've seen a beautiful 320i M-Sport with all the toys (list £44,800), going for £30,750 - that's over 31% depreciation in just 7 months (Feb 2020 car). So whilst I do think a BMW will most certainly be in my future as my next car (when ever that is), it won't be new but a few months old. Sure I might not get the exact spec I'd ideally want, but you save a bucket load of money. Company car drivers obviously have different considerations and most likely wouldn't be considering a M135i anyway but probably a 330e ?

One thing is pretty much for certain though, I think BMW and Merc, will be picking up a lot of hot Golf owners over the next year or so. Of course these are purely my views and expect everyone else to disagree with me  :D :D
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Re: The noisy people’s car…
« Reply #39 on: 13 August 2020, 13:38 »
If I ever my my Mk7.5 with the radio off (not VERY likely) it does drive me mad I have to say. The noise from the rear is horrible and any passengers in the rear struggle to have a conversation with me.

I can't hear either with Radio 4 on or with Motorhead's No Sleep Til Hammersmith (one of my fave pieces of classical music)...

Fixes both annoying passengers and Golf noise.

If I filled the boot with pillows, maybe it was quieter?

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