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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #100 on: 04 March 2020, 17:05 »
I like the look of the Cupra Formentor. Get rid of the copper wheels. Add an ABT upgrade included for £500 and with a Manufacturers warranty. 360 ish bhp. AWD. Different. Not as cheap inside as Troc R.

Worth considering. I also like the AMG35 saloon. The new GTi leaves me cold.

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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #101 on: 04 March 2020, 17:44 »
I really dislike the new Golf GTI,

Firstly......as somebody in this thread already said... when I first saw a Mk7 I instantly thought it looked good. even in non GT spec they aren't bad looking cars. With the Mk8 so few people thought the base spec ones looked good. The internet was full of people saying "well maybe they might be able to make the GTI/R look better"

now its here and people have changed their quote to saying "well hopefully it will grow on me if I see enough of them on the road". That's personally just not good enough for the next evolution of a car we all clearly enjoy in this forum.

However, taste is subjective, so if the new look is your cup of tea then I'm happy for you.

Secondly.... it looks cheap. The cost cutting from VW vs the face lift Mk7 isn't nice to see. Especially when they are charging more for the car. I know non of the following things on their own are worth getting pissy over but all added up they take away from the car especially when the "more budget" versions of the car are now suddenly looking more premium (Octavia RSiV, Cupra Leon).

1.No longer has a gas strut for the bonnet. has an old school rod to hold the bonnet open.
2.Engine cover is just black and blank. no VW/TSI/GTI or anything
3.Back up key holes no longer have the removable cover now to make the door handles look flush
4.The front grille is too open and flimsy in the centre and too much solid plastic around those weird DTRL. makes the large gap between the grille and the super visible radiator look too big and empty and just less solid than the Mk7 grille.
5. The rear "defuser" type area is the opposite... its just a blob of cheap black plastic like car bumpers were back the early 2000's when colour coded bumpers were a thing to celebrate on an options list. (though at least it has real exhausts)
6.I'm a fan of one piece seats. but these ones look cheap, the stitching around the headrest wasn't as good as the older 2 piece Mk7 and a single piece seat is cheaper to make than a 2 piece so no excuse.
7. the instrument hood is far bigger than the screen displaying the instruments. the gap around the screen is loads more piano black plastic. either make the screen bigger or design the hood to be a better fit.
8. the centre console around the DSG selector is just more plastic with little design.
9.the retractable cover over the cup holders has now gone.

I know its a VW and not an Audi, but VW has always been a bit of a step up from Seat, Skoda, Ford, Renault, Vauxhall in terms of build and premium-ness but this version just doesn't appear to be that midpoint, anymore, between those brands and the likes of Audi,BMW,Merc

Nicely said.
Lots of good points.
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #102 on: 04 March 2020, 17:50 »
I've just been back through the posts around the launch time of the Mk7 GTI/GTD.

Lots of similar comments to right now.

This one in particular struck me:

Been meaning to post in this thread for days now, but I've been away from home... Anyway, I attended the Geneva Motorshow last Monday (11th) and spent more time than was reasonable looking at the GTI. I've got to say that, somewhat predictably, it looks much better in the flesh than it does in many of the photos. The front end in particular looks much better when you can see it in proportion with the rest of the car . I was more taken with the white than the red, though I only saw the latter on a 5 door GTD. Still not sure about the 18" Austin Swastika's, much preferred the appearance of the 19" Santiago's.   

The one thing that surprised me the most is how inoffensive the ACC Cyclops eye looked on the white 3 door GTI. Now, I was very much against the idea of having it and still don't like the appearance of it on the non-GTI Golf's, but I'm actually quite tempted by it now. 

I took some photos on my phone, but they're nothing special and the quality is very much of the typical camera phone standard... :embarrassed:
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #103 on: 05 March 2020, 11:39 »
Definately not swapping mine.
1 - Like mine too much
2 - Can't afford it  :cry:
3 - If it's not the MK 8 I haven't a clue what next!!!
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Offline mike roberts

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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #104 on: 05 March 2020, 12:35 »
I've just been back through the posts around the launch time of the Mk7 GTI/GTD.

Lots of similar comments to right now.


Oh it goes back further than that. I remember having a 25th Anniversary MK4 when the MK5 came out - it was roundly panned on forums by owners spouting similar bile.

I bought a MK5. It was far and away a better car than the MK4 it replaced, and soon everyone else did likewise. Then they all moved on to getting stomach ulcers over the MK6....

From what I can see most GTI owners are quite resistant to change.
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #105 on: 05 March 2020, 13:27 »
Oh it goes back further than that. I remember having a 25th Anniversary MK4 when the MK5 came out - it was roundly panned on forums by owners spouting similar bile.

How about all of those spouting how they didn't like the Mk7.5 - particularly its new front end vs the Mk7 and the hating the idea of the digital dash or raging about the lack of multi-point injection or a GPF that isn't optional on anything new any more.

A lot of it has to do with that people don't want to like the new one because its justifying them not having to buy one - man maths in reverse ;-)
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #106 on: 05 March 2020, 15:12 »
I've just been back through the posts around the launch time of the Mk7 GTI/GTD.

Lots of similar comments to right now.


Oh it goes back further than that. I remember having a 25th Anniversary MK4 when the MK5 came out - it was roundly panned on forums by owners spouting similar bile.

I bought a MK5. It was far and away a better car than the MK4 it replaced, and soon everyone else did likewise. Then they all moved on to getting stomach ulcers over the MK6....

From what I can see most GTI owners are quite resistant to change.

Obviously the internet wasn’t around in the early ‘80s but owners clubs were, plus people wrote into magazines, and I can remember some of the comments as VW released each generation going right back to the mk1 into the mk2.
I bought my first GTI, albeit a Scirocco, back in 1987 which was a six year old example and I was just turned 19, already a member of the GTI Driver’s Club and then Club GTI.
I was still at school when mk1 became mk2 and back then VW weren’t a big player compared to Ford, Austin, Vauxhall etc. but the GTI was already becoming a cult car.
There was a lot of initial resistance to the mk2 GTI  from mk1 owners and some never made the swap, keeping their mk1’s for many years, but things were slower moving back then and acceptance could take years and years. The mk2 eventually became hugely popular in its own right thanks mostly to the Yuppie status symbol image it developed along with the BMW325i and the 911’s of the day.
The biggest buyers revolt as such was when the mk2 became the mk3 GTI. The Yuppies all turned back into normal people, hot hatches went out of fashion due to the amount being stolen or crashed and everyone wanted a Chelsea Tractor 4x4 (forerunners of the modern SUV).
Like the mk8, the mk3 was built to a lower standard, looked slightly ahead of its time and the GTI had no real world performance gains (in fact it was slower in real world driving). Sales bombed.
With some funky new colours and slightly improved wheel designs and the addition of Simos injection the late mk3 GTI’s had a bit of a resurgence but most of us either dug deep into our pockets to afford a VR6 or got a far better GTI wearing a SEAT badge. Or both.
The mk4 Golf was reasonably warmly accepted after the plasticky mk3, the GTI became more of a trim level though until later into its life when VW woke up to the fact hot hatches were increasing in popularity and SEAT were taking all their sales. Enter the R32 and the 180PS GTIs to bring some attention back.
The mk5 was a controversial departure for VW with loads of criticism of the blobby styling.
What attracted people was the improved driving dynamics compared to the mk4 with VW adopting the Ford Focus style rear suspension, a car that kicked the mk4 into touch as far as basic handling was concerned.
VW elected to bring the GTI back with a bang in mk5 guise having learnt from the mk1 Leon Cupra what people wanted. The mk5 GTI became a runaway success as it had the ingredients just right and the slightly unpopular mk5 rear end (understatement) has its focus taken away by truly innovative styling on the front and sides plus the interior embellishments (the dials, seats and steering wheel are still superb and barely dated even today).
I think the mk6 GTI was reasonably well received, certainly on this forum. It looked quite futuristic considering it was based on a mk5 shell. Hot hatches were going a bit out of fashion by then so it wasn’t a huge seller, the GTD was becoming popular though. The R was overpriced and only had 4 cylinders so went through the same crisis BMW is having with M140i owners accepting the new 135i, but like the new baby BMW it brought interest in from elsewhere. Most people bought a 6R purely on its looks and ease of engine tuning.
The mk7 GTI drew a lot of positive interest but the GTD took the lions share of sales! It was a pretty design. The only real complaints were the crash friendly bonnet hump in profile and the crease in the hatch. Oh, and the way the wheels sat too far into the arches.
The mk7 GT models weren’t quite as pretty as the mk6 GT when looking further into the range but the new car caught on quickly with strong sales. The 7R was criticised the most as it lost the aggressive good looks of the 6R completely. Thankfully the engine and chassis were in another league and it’s now a cult classic in its own right.

All through those generation changes, with the exception of the mk3 maybe, I can’t remember such universal criticism as the mk8 has received for its looks alone. Hopefully it is just ahead of its time.
I’m looking forward to seeing the 8R in the coming months but I struggle to see why anyone would buy a base mk8 ahead of an ID.3 unless the latter is far more expensive to own as a package. 
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #107 on: 05 March 2020, 15:36 »
I remember going to the launch of the MKIII. Most memorable 2 things;

Hartwell did a great BBQ and its fancy doorhandles.  :grin:
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #108 on: 05 March 2020, 15:47 »
Nice potted history of the Golf GTI @Exonian ; I enjoyed reading it.

Completely agree about the @r5e end of the mk5; I had a mk5 GT and always thought the rear looked a little odd, too rounded and mis-matched to the rest of the car. The insert in the front bumper lined up with the body side moulding on the doors, but didn’t continue around into the rear bumper. I also really disliked that cheap looking matt black grained plastic lower section on the rear bumper - much too deep and it looked as if VW had completely forgotten to design the lower section of the bumper so stuck that massive matt black plastic section on as an afterthought. I forgave it its odd rear end looks though as it drove and handled well.

I’m sure we’ll get used to the look of the mk8 GTI as it becomes a familiar sight on the roads - assuming the looks don’t put off would be buyers and VW don’t price it at stupid levels. But now, I’m not feeling the love for it, and based purely on looks, when compared to its siblings (new A3, Leon and Octavia), it sits at number 4 for me.

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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #109 on: 06 March 2020, 07:13 »
The new GTI. Worth a look.......

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JfH7onfq4zk&feature=youtu.be

Worst thing VW could have done was put it beside a mk1 GTI.  The mk1's clean and classic lines really shows up how droopy and horrible the mk8's front end is.  Just cannot warm to this thing.  Horrid.
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