The Golf GTI is now dead, but...

[david25]

The Yaris GR-4 does sound like it'll be crazy fast, but if it drives like a Honda Civic Type-R, but costs as much as a Type R (as all the press think it will - seems like it will be a very low volume car with lots of unique stuff like aluminium doors and bonnet/boot, carbon fibre roof), why wouldn't you buy the Type R?

Hopefully it'll be good enough to be a heart overhead decision like the (then) relatively expensive Lupo GTI was.

It should be pretty good on the fuel economy stakes (relative to output).

The current Yaris GRMN is a bit of a damp squib in supermini hot hatch group testing - lots of peak power, but bugger all torque. The GR4 sounds like it will be a completely different beast.

This is going to be serious money

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-drive-2020-toyota-gr-yaris-prototype

[SRGTD]

The Yaris GR-4 does sound like it'll be crazy fast, but if it drives like a Honda Civic Type-R, but costs as much as a Type R (as all the press think it will - seems like it will be a very low volume car with lots of unique stuff like aluminium doors and bonnet/boot, carbon fibre roof), why wouldn't you buy the Type R?

Hopefully it'll be good enough to be a heart overhead decision like the (then) relatively expensive Lupo GTI was.

It should be pretty good on the fuel economy stakes (relative to output).

The current Yaris GRMN is a bit of a damp squib in supermini hot hatch group testing - lots of peak power, but bugger all torque. The GR4 sounds like it will be a completely different beast.

This is going to be serious money

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-drive-2020-toyota-gr-yaris-prototype

At the foot of the Autocar article, it quotes an estimated price of £30k.

[fredgroves]

If there's that loophole for lower output (number of cars) manufacturers, will they not just hive off their performance divisions to create some other brand with lower volumes?

Or the other way around, you can pool your emissions totals by going in with others - already being done. I can't remember which ones it is, but several thirsty monster brands have pooled with manufacturers who predominantly make small city cars...

Its not a problem for low volume supercar manufacturers though, if your vehicle output is really low you are exempt from the scheme.

This is all gaming the system, but its what goes on in everything. Its like tax avoidance vs tax evasion

[SRGTD]

If there's that loophole for lower output (number of cars) manufacturers, will they not just hive off their performance divisions to create some other brand with lower volumes?

Or the other way around, you can pool your emissions totals by going in with others - already being done. I can't remember which ones it is, but several thirsty monster brands have pooled with manufacturers who predominantly make small city cars...

Its not a problem for low volume supercar manufacturers though, if your vehicle output is really low you are exempt from the scheme.

This is all gaming the system, but its what goes on in everything. Its like tax avoidance vs tax evasion

Fiat Chrysler is pooling with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets.