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Offline Watts

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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #10 on: 10 January 2020, 11:52 »
I think my days of having a new car is rapidly coming to a close, or as someone else said, I'll have to look at much cheaper alternatives. Still thinking about a TCR but the cost to change, despite the 3 door cars being mostly a bargain compared with their new prices, is still eye watering, especially since I don't want to go down the finance route. I suspect like many on here, my pay has remained fairly static over the last decade and in real terms gone backwards rather rapidly. Plus, although a few years off, I have an eye on retirement and would like to keep a few pounds in the bank in preparation.

I suppose a greedy government is nothing new, but on top of that the car pricing itself, they really do want us off the roads don't they! :rolleyes: I know we are on a massive high with modern cars being so good but god it can be depressing at the same time!!

But I don't think they do want us off the roads as we drivers are adding so much to the coffers in vat, fuel duty, ved etc. And we are such an easy target, we keep on driving and keep on paying. If we swap to lower rate ved vehicles they just up the rates, there's no getting away from it and really little in the way of a viable alternative. Look at the cost of season tickets on trains :shocked:
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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #11 on: 10 January 2020, 12:11 »
Wouldn't it be nice if salaries increased at the same rate as car pricing!!! :shocked:

As much as I love my current GTI at this rate I'll be forced to look else where for a cheaper alternative next time around!! :cry:

Indeed... or that the 40k "premium car" penalty was moved upward in line with inflation at the very least.

Year 2-6 road tax hikes of an extra £320 are not something I can afford to ignore - that's an extra £26 a month to find.

The laughable thing with that is that there aren't any zero emissions breaks on that either - your Tesla attracts it too.

I don’t think the trigger point of £40k list price for the premium car enhanced VED rate is likely to increase any time soon; it’s an easy revenue stream for the government - if they keep it at £40k and as vehicle prices continue to increase, more motorists fall into this VED band. :angry:
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Offline dean5125

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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #12 on: 10 January 2020, 14:23 »

Wouldn't it be nice if salaries increased at the same rate as car pricing!!! :shocked:

As much as I love my current GTI at this rate I'll be forced to look else where for a cheaper alternative next time around!! :cry:

I already went down that route. Since the missus learned to drive and wanted a car of her own in 2015, household car running costs became much more expensive.

We now have a 2018 and a 2019 Polo GTI+.

£21k after discount with optional 18" Brescias, with 50% GFV after 3 years.

Same performance figures of the original standard MK7 Golf GTI 220ps model, almost as well equipped as a current MK7.5 GTI, as big as a MK4 Golf, more economical. Not a lot of love here for the MK8's looks either.

The Polo GTI+ is a lot of car for the money when compared to a 7.5 Golf GTI at current pricing.

£40k RRP does not buy you an extraordinary car these days, that threshold needs to go up or at least step it so that a £200k car has more VED to pay than a £40k one.

Now there's a thought..... I know I don't need to worry about it for a few years but I honestly hadn't even given the Polo a second thought..... YouTube here we come!

I know what you mean about an unfair tax system..... my bosses son at 26 (and absolutely useless!!) is driving round in his fully loaded 200k McLaren and paying the same tax as a golf GTI with 1 or 2 options.... sounds fair!!! :undecided:

 
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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #13 on: 10 January 2020, 15:31 »

Wouldn't it be nice if salaries increased at the same rate as car pricing!!! :shocked:

As much as I love my current GTI at this rate I'll be forced to look else where for a cheaper alternative next time around!! :cry:

I already went down that route. Since the missus learned to drive and wanted a car of her own in 2015, household car running costs became much more expensive.

We now have a 2018 and a 2019 Polo GTI+.

£21k after discount with optional 18" Brescias, with 50% GFV after 3 years.

Same performance figures of the original standard MK7 Golf GTI 220ps model, almost as well equipped as a current MK7.5 GTI, as big as a MK4 Golf, more economical. Not a lot of love here for the MK8's looks either.

The Polo GTI+ is a lot of car for the money when compared to a 7.5 Golf GTI at current pricing.

£40k RRP does not buy you an extraordinary car these days, that threshold needs to go up or at least step it so that a £200k car has more VED to pay than a £40k one.

The Polo GTI is completely in the shadow of the Golf GTI as far as the wider public are concerned and I think that’s a crying shame.
The trouble is that as far as Polo vs mk7 goes the feeling you get with the Polo is “it’s just not a Golf” when it comes to certain things.
A good friend of mine had a Polo GTI (not a plus model) for a very short time as he works in the trade and putting it next to my GTI it was very evident where the savings were made,  but the Polo GTI+ makes a far better case for itself against a non Performance Pack Golf GTI.

With the likely lower quality interior with loads of shiny ‘piano’ black plastics in a mk8 GTI, the Polo will make an even better case for itself and it’ll be interesting to see if the Polo quietly hikes up in price between the mk7 dying and the mk8 coming on stream.
If the up! GTI can go up £2k because it has a cheaper looking VW roundel and a forward facing camera then God knows what they might ‘justify’ with the Polo GTI in the coming months.
Just like the Fiesta ST is probably both a better looking and more mature looking car (unlike the previous gen chav-chariots) than its bigger ST sibling now, the Polo might be the more discerning choice against a mk8 Golf. Both of the cheaper slightly smaller hot hatches probably have just as quick real world performance and handling if you’re not absolutely ‘on it’ a lot of the time.

What I find a shame is that the Polo isn’t offered with a good old fashioned manual gearbox for £1k less.
The Polo doesn’t have the slight snob value of the Golf (which Golf buyers are happy to pay a huge premium for), so hot hatch enthusiasts could be more attracted to a manual Polo GTI+ as a cheaper more fun GTI that’s not a Ford.

Another crying shame is that (SEAT) Cupra still don’t have a 200 PS version of the Ibiza.
Once dipping below a Golf and therefore eschewing those nice little Golf touches I’d rather be in a current generation Ibiza than a Polo as quality is almost identical and the Ibiza looks much sharper.
(Shame about many SEAT dealers though)

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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #14 on: 10 January 2020, 18:26 »
My daughter loves her Polo GTi, its a white one with a few tasty extras (18" Brescias, black roof & mirrors, rev cam etc), and it sounds great as she razzes off up the road with the DSG doing rapid upshifts......
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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #15 on: 10 January 2020, 19:28 »
My daughter loves her Polo GTi, its a white one with a few tasty extras (18" Brescias, black roof & mirrors, rev cam etc), and it sounds great as she razzes off up the road with the DSG doing rapid upshifts......

The 18" Brescias look far better than the standard 17" Parkers - is it a pre Sept 2018 registered model though? Mine without GPF sounds a hell of a lot better than my wife's 2019 model with GPF.
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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #16 on: 10 January 2020, 19:48 »
No it's a Dec 19.  It's her first decent car after a couple of Corsa's !  She's got a few years no claims now, and the reasonable PCP deal they have been offering made it within reach. It does sound nice, so yours must sound even better !
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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #17 on: 10 January 2020, 19:50 »

The Polo GTI is completely in the shadow of the Golf GTI as far as the wider public are concerned and I think that’s a crying shame.
The trouble is that as far as Polo vs mk7 goes the feeling you get with the Polo is “it’s just not a Golf” when it comes to certain things.
A good friend of mine had a Polo GTI (not a plus model) for a very short time as he works in the trade and putting it next to my GTI it was very evident where the savings were made,  but the Polo GTI+ makes a far better case for itself against a non Performance Pack Golf GTI.

With the likely lower quality interior with loads of shiny ‘piano’ black plastics in a mk8 GTI, the Polo will make an even better case for itself and it’ll be interesting to see if the Polo quietly hikes up in price between the mk7 dying and the mk8 coming on stream.
If the up! GTI can go up £2k because it has a cheaper looking VW roundel and a forward facing camera then God knows what they might ‘justify’ with the Polo GTI in the coming months.
Just like the Fiesta ST is probably both a better looking and more mature looking car (unlike the previous gen chav-chariots) than its bigger ST sibling now, the Polo might be the more discerning choice against a mk8 Golf. Both of the cheaper slightly smaller hot hatches probably have just as quick real world performance and handling if you’re not absolutely ‘on it’ a lot of the time.

What I find a shame is that the Polo isn’t offered with a good old fashioned manual gearbox for £1k less.
The Polo doesn’t have the slight snob value of the Golf (which Golf buyers are happy to pay a huge premium for), so hot hatch enthusiasts could be more attracted to a manual Polo GTI+ as a cheaper more fun GTI that’s not a Ford.

Another crying shame is that (SEAT) Cupra still don’t have a 200 PS version of the Ibiza.
Once dipping below a Golf and therefore eschewing those nice little Golf touches I’d rather be in a current generation Ibiza than a Polo as quality is almost identical and the Ibiza looks much sharper.
(Shame about many SEAT dealers though)

Completely agree with all of that. The Polo GTI without the "+" makes for a very sparse car. The + adds £2830 worth of options for about £1650, giving it pretty much everything that the 7.5GTI has, with the exception of dual zone climate. Apart from an easy £1450 profit, not sure why VW wouldn't do a manual box - you could get the Polo GTI with a manual box in Germany and Czech republic for a short while, initially and post WLTP compliance period, you either love DSG or you learn to live with it - i'm definitely in the latter group.

There are very few areas the Polo has obvious cost savings vs the 7.5 Golf, and pretty much all of those savings will be reflected in the MK8 Golf - harder door card plastics on the tops and lack of cloth trim on the rear door cards, bonnet stay rather than gas strut. It has better infotainment than the 7.5, which will almost certainly feature in the MK8.

Hopefully VW won't get greedy and jack the price up without giving something in return (there's not much more equipment you would want as standard, without potentially treading all over the toes of the MK8 Golf when it arrives.

As it stands, the Polo GTI+ is an absolute bargain next to the current lowest denominator MK7.5 Golf GTI, one of the main reasons it is so much cheaper is it is built in South Africa where wages are far lower than those of their Wolfsburg comrades. Will VW ever hive out the Golf production to somewhere cheap like SA or Turkey? Not sure how protectionist the Germans are for domestic jobs, or whether it is all about Euros saved. The French wouldn't stand for it if Peugeot or Renault sent all the jobs elsewhere for the sake of profit.

We looked at an Ibiza for the wife, and I was shocked at how cheap some aspects were - the rear doors still had wind up windows!
Seat seemed to be completely crippled by WLTP requirements at the time we were looking (mid-2018, just after we'd ordered my GTI+), and you couldn't order anything. I couldn't see anything else comparable to the GTI+ for performance, economy, standard equipment and good residuals, so we ordered a second. The wife loves hers, but mine does feel and sound far superior to drive, without the GPF bottleneck.
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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #18 on: 10 January 2020, 19:58 »
No it's a Dec 19.  It's her first decent car after a couple of Corsa's !  She's got a few years no claims now, and the reasonable PCP deal they have been offering made it within reach. It does sound nice, so yours must sound even better !

The difference is very noticeable between mine and the wife's - far more eager in the mid range, feels a lot torquier. Trouble is, the Polo sound insulation is as good as a Golfs, so you have to have the windows down or the sound system off to hear the exhaust pops and farts. The 2018 one pops and farts, the 2019 one just farts. Not a big deal to me, i'd rather be listening to Ozzy or Guns n Roses than listening out for the exhaust in radio silence. Mine does sound good on the rare occasion she takes mine out and I can hear it drive off.

Those Bridgestone Turanza on the Brescias are very hard and slippery though - first thing I did was replace them with Michelin PS4s.
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Re: The Golf GTI is now dead, but...
« Reply #19 on: 10 January 2020, 20:10 »
Matt how is the infotainment better on the Polo when it's the same unit used in both?
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