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Offline Philip

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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #10 on: 15 October 2019, 06:45 »
Good write up and really pleased to hear you’re enjoying the TCR and that it’s met, or exceeded, your expectations.

If you plan another trip to C&M at any point let me know as we’re only 8 miles from there so can pop down and I can break my duck of not having seen another TCR on the road as yet  :smiley:
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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #11 on: 15 October 2019, 12:47 »
Good write up and really pleased to hear you’re enjoying the TCR and that it’s met, or exceeded, your expectations.

If you plan another trip to C&M at any point let me know as we’re only 8 miles from there so can pop down and I can break my duck of not having seen another TCR on the road as yet  :smiley:

This weekend trip to C&M was on spur of moment as had to go to IKEA and its not too much of a leap given wanted to put some miles on the TCR anyways - Not sure when up that way again, but if was I would likely drop into C&M and so would let you know :)

Not driven the TCR for 2 days, chained to laptop and a headset, did however see its pretty rear heading off last 2 days as wife decided she may as well take it if I am not using - still not sure how I feel about that  :grin:

She liked the R but always found it a jump from her A1 185 BHP Sline, in terms of heavier handling as her A1 is very light and her first impressions are is that the TCR is more responsive in steering - She says she has had quite a few looks since driven it in, and of course I said they are for you my love and not the TCR  :grin:

Expect to get out and about over weekend and have a couple of long journey coming up, so should by end of the month reach that 1000 mile mark and have a better feel its capabilities as definitely only had tasters to this point.
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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #12 on: 15 October 2019, 14:38 »
Probably easier to park than the R too - better steering lock.
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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #13 on: 16 October 2019, 13:30 »
Probably easier to park than the R too - better steering lock.

Can testify that the ability to be able to turn in a reasonable circle has returned opposed to the 3 point turn and apologetic wave feature included in the R  :grin:

Just done a full sweep in one motion as a turnaround close to house that have done in all my other cars to the point of the R and so another little but welcome plus +
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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #14 on: 16 October 2019, 14:48 »
Looks great (I would say that as its the same as mine bar the pan roof) and glad you like it.

I too am trying to put some extra miles on before opening it up a little more (following the same breaking in method as you are rightly or wrongly) but being hampered by other commitments. 

Im quite happy with the Akra exhaust sound too.  Not too much - just right :)
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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #15 on: 16 October 2019, 15:12 »
Looks great (I would say that as its the same as mine bar the pan roof) and glad you like it.

I too am trying to put some extra miles on before opening it up a little more (following the same breaking in method as you are rightly or wrongly) but being hampered by other commitments. 

Im quite happy with the Akra exhaust sound too.  Not too much - just right :)

It just makes sense to let the mechanics settle in before stress them to their designed capacity - Much of my driving so far has been naturally mixed and keeping the reins pulled in, which is not easy as it feels eager to go, and cannot wait to let it have its head - Its hard to really correlate but did the same for both the GTD and the R and had no issue with either and with increasingly good economy on both

Even if it is placebo, i am doing it anyway.

The only time not done this was when purchased a 9 month old 2.0 litre Bora Sport Demo and it had engine management issues later in life with a rubbish economy that even the R would be ashamed of when in Race mode. - I put that down to a ragged Demo and the deal I got that looked amazing at the time felt less so as spent more ££ than should keeping on road.

Wife had TCR last 2 days but got it back today and went to next town to collect daughter and so added another 30 miles and enjoyed a couple obvious glances over

The Akra definitely looks the part,  :evil: but as not driving with any real intent real judgement is yet to come on the noise though having watched wife drive off last couple of days obviously got to hear it native and its a lovely deep tone, that suspect will increase as miles are put on - Again looking forward to hearing it when can drive unrestricted and with some miles on it

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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #16 on: 16 October 2019, 15:17 »
I think the one thing I like in terms of performance/response etc is that it remains usable in Normal and Comfort Mode.  In my old m135i choosing Comfort dulled the response way too much to the point I hardly ever used it. 
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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #17 on: 16 October 2019, 16:37 »
I think the one thing I like in terms of performance/response etc is that it remains usable in Normal and Comfort Mode.  In my old m135i choosing Comfort dulled the response way too much to the point I hardly ever used it.

As coming from the R very used to that already with the ability to move the DSG from D to S adding even more flexibility to those modes.

Imagine the TCR is a big change from the M135i in many ways, so be interesting to see how you feel about it over the months, there might be a little you lose, but maybe a lot you gain? so like said be interesting to read.

Tend not to use the DSG in auto when in Sport as gears are just a little too long, but when I place it into Sport it pretty much means I want to be more in control, so its always paddles, - Let the DSG do all the donkey work on the normal drive.

Know some swear by manual, as I once did, but total convert, so much flexibility between the modes and DSG to drive to conditions or wish to. - We talk about the performance of these cars, they are our main focus but nothing much better to have in armoury on a commute in back to back traffic than the DCC  + DSG + Auto Hold

My R suffered a little from response that many have resolved with pedal boxes, where as I just got used to it and navigated it with some learned intuition on pedal travel - The TCR does not seem to suffer from this and for me the response is so much better to point having to rein it back where the R was only just responding.
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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #18 on: 18 October 2019, 07:37 »
I've been away otherwise I would have congratulated you sooner Hertsman. Felt like a very long wait for you.

Ya see! I told you that you'd like it.  :grin:

I have not been able to get the TCR to tramp in daily use - burying my foot like an ape to find what it would take, yes, you'll get it but it's FWD at the end of the day and there has to be a point where it lets go. I suspect as the roads deteriorate, I may revise that opinion.

Although the 0-60 is slower than an R, it doesn't feel like the difference on paper. Not sure if you feel the same way having spent more time in an R than I ever have.

Having spent 3 weeks in Namibia driving hardcore roads in a Toyota Hilux, I spent a little time in Windhoek and was surprised at the number of Golf GTIs I saw - nearly 20 in a day. Outside of an urban environment, it would be the quickest way to destroy a car and the country is like a giant backdrop for Toyota products. 2 out of 3 is a Toyota and when you enter Botswana, there is a giant billboard that declares 'Welcome to Toyota country'. They're not wrong. GTI trying to change that in Windhoek!  :laugh:

Driving the TCR today after about a month from it, it really brings home what a great package the vehicle is. Although being able to drive at things in a Hilux with relative abandon has a certain appeal!
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Re: GTI TCR vs R
« Reply #19 on: 18 October 2019, 10:51 »
I've been away otherwise I would have congratulated you sooner Hertsman. Felt like a very long wait for you.

Ya see! I told you that you'd like it.  :grin:

I have not been able to get the TCR to tramp in daily use - burying my foot like an ape to find what it would take, yes, you'll get it but it's FWD at the end of the day and there has to be a point where it lets go. I suspect as the roads deteriorate, I may revise that opinion.

Although the 0-60 is slower than an R, it doesn't feel like the difference on paper. Not sure if you feel the same way having spent more time in an R than I ever have.

Having spent 3 weeks in Namibia driving hardcore roads in a Toyota Hilux, I spent a little time in Windhoek and was surprised at the number of Golf GTIs I saw - nearly 20 in a day. Outside of an urban environment, it would be the quickest way to destroy a car and the country is like a giant backdrop for Toyota products. 2 out of 3 is a Toyota and when you enter Botswana, there is a giant billboard that declares 'Welcome to Toyota country'. They're not wrong. GTI trying to change that in Windhoek!  :laugh:

Driving the TCR today after about a month from it, it really brings home what a great package the vehicle is. Although being able to drive at things in a Hilux with relative abandon has a certain appeal!

Thank you sir!

Yes it was a long wait, but nature of the beast as ordering early offsets the risk of delays, which used to be a problem as happened more often than not when anyone ordered their car - That does not happen any more but if you know what you want and order pretty much straight away its easy 20 weeks wait - Think this be last company car that take though, not really liking the way cars are going and might start looking at some premium second hand cars of this and last generation - If the TCR has a good period with me then that might be a keeper also as we shift the second car we have and that takes its place.

But thats all for then, the TCR is here now and that wait has dissipated very quickly into a distant memory.

It was a somping wet weekend and had to pull up to a variety of junctions and managed to get into some keen gaps without any hint of tramp - The law of physics likely dictates that if you completely floor it, in the dry and more so in the wet, the TCR will tramp but from the decent and keen getaway made this weekend it seems have to push pretty hard to meet the threshold for tramping - winter is upon us, so there will be plentiful tests of this, and like you, we shall see.

My R suffered from poor response, which I came to intuitively navigate, but think the TCR has given me a view to what the pedal box many put on the R gave to them, as the TCR is so much more responsive, and eager! Wife and I looked over to each other a couple of times as I pulled the reins in, my face with a broad smile and hers with a nervous smile, - She done many miles in the R with me and reaction alone says there is a difference.

Can definitely feel the lightness in the handling, precise and assured still, but more feeling for the car around you.

It can look like I am knocking the R, but I am not, these comments are in a way a compliment to its huge capability, it does everything so well, so assured that maybe it insulates you a little from the drive? 

But less of me, what a trip you went on! and bouncing around in abandon in a beastly Hilux sounds a whole lot of fun, certainly a different backdrop to the UK as you ventured around.

Not done many miles in the TCR this week, as back to work but have a few journeys planned this weekend starting tonight to increase my feel for the car.
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- 2016 Lapiz Blue Golf R 5 Door DSG Pretoria DCC
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