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Offline Mutley75

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DynAudio questions
« on: 02 February 2019, 15:37 »
I've added Dynaudio to my GTI (coming mid March) and wondered which media device has the best audio quality?  The reason I'm asking is because my current Audi A3 (with standard audio) sounds ok on DAB or if I'm playing MP3s from either SD-Card or USB but if I stream audio from my iPhone via Bluetooth it sounds awful - it's much quieter for a start and if I crank the volume up the quality is really poor.  It's better if using USB cable to the iPhone but still not great.  Just wondered how the Golf fares on this front?

Audi's MMI is a bit quirky to say the least.  One major annoyance is that it doesn't support album art unless each JPG is individually edited and re-saved at a certain image resolution.  The Audi system also doesn't support all audio formats, so also keen to know how things stack up on that front with the GTI.  Thanks.
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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #1 on: 02 February 2019, 16:01 »
I might be a bit out of date with my opinion, but i've always thought of Bluetooth audio streaming as inferior to a wired connection regardless of which equipment it's played on. I've streamed mp3 files from my Android phone but find the quality noticeably worse than that of my old iPod Classic connected via the usb behind the gear stick. The iPod also does album artwork.

I don't have Dynaudio.
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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #2 on: 02 February 2019, 16:11 »
I find the quality via bluetooth to be very good.
I get the occasional sound dropout but overall it's pretty impressive.
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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #3 on: 02 February 2019, 16:31 »
I use Spotify through Android Auto and find the quality brilliant.

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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #4 on: 02 February 2019, 16:31 »
I use Spotify through Android Auto and find the quality brilliant.

Connected via Bluetooth or USB?
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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #5 on: 02 February 2019, 16:58 »
There’s a couple of variable parts of the answer to this;

Dynaudio is the amp (software and physical) and the speakers making 400w of power output (versus the standard 80w), it won’t however impact the bitrate of a song/tune being played, which is themes important part to everything, so if the song/tune is a low quality bitrate then it’ll sound inferior to a higher bitrate tune (On a Dynaudio equipped car it’ll always still sound infinitely better than a standard system though). The higher the bitrate, the better the sound. However, regardless if that tune is being streamed at a high bitrate or not, if the original digital tune being streamed is of a low bitrate then even if it's being streamed at a high bitrate it still won't sound as good, you normally find this with 80's/90's songs which have very compressed original bitrates. So in the car the Dynaudio simply allows the tune to sound at its best as it's being delivered with more power.

If you try to stream/play over Bluetooth (no wire), whatever you do it’ll sound worse than a wired/hard connection, this is because Bluetooth has to significantly compress the bitrate to get it into a compatible wireless state. There is new technology that uses a car's WiFi connection in conjunction with the bluetooth to help, but that's relatively new and confined to wireless CarPlay solutions. In short if you're streaming over bluetooth alone, then you are compressing your source hugely and it'll sound worse.

With the Golf, I always stream via CarPlay (which is hardwired) using the MixCloud, Amazon Music or Apple Music app, most of which run at 256AAC+. But even then the quality of some streams are noticeable even when using the same app. e.g...

This has a high source bitrate, and really allows the Dynaudio to show off its capabilities:
https://www.mixcloud.com/lucasandsteve/lucas-steve-present-skyline-sessions-109/

This is on the same app/platform, yet is of a lower bitrate, and it sounds inferior particularly on the vocals:
https://www.mixcloud.com/livesetd/calvin-harris-beats-1-one-mix-12-jan-2019/

To further complicate matters, Amazon Prime Music is 256kbps AAC, while Spotify Premium is 320kbps Ogg Vorbis. Amazon however do use a variable bitrate, so sometimes it can sound inferior, even though AAC should be superior.

I have found the Dynaudio is sensitive to the bitrate of the music I am playing, which I personally think is a good thing because if it's a good quality bitrate then it sounds epic, the mids really pop.

So to sum, up. Bluetooth music will sound sh!te, but it'll sound even worse if the original bitrate is low.

One thing's for sure though, the Dynaudio is mega and worth every penny, you'll have no regrets there (even if you will for not speccing DCC  :wink: :grin: ).

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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #6 on: 02 February 2019, 17:07 »
Excellent response, thanks. I’d noticed the different quality bitrate on a previous Audi which had Bose but that was an 11 plate so really old tech and incomparable. I didn’t realise CarPlay also used WIFI as well as Bluetooth. I think mine will have wireless charging so I’ll see what the quality is like over WIFI, otherwise I’ll just hook in the USB or (as I do with the current A3) dump all my music onto SD Card.

On a separate note, my music is a mush-mash of ITunes, Amazon and Google Play and a real pain to (legally) get all into one place (ideally the iPhone). Plus I can’t seem to delete crap music from Amazon that I wish I’d never bought. They also digitally store any CD you’ve purchased including some particularly dodgy crud from my younger days. Not to mention some hideous stuff I’d bought for other people on my account. Gah.. 
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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #7 on: 02 February 2019, 17:17 »
I didn’t realise CarPlay also used WIFI as well as Bluetooth. I think mine will have wireless charging so I’ll see what the quality is like over WIFI, otherwise I’ll just hook in the USB or (as I do with the current A3) dump all my music onto SD Card.
CarPlay in the Golf isn't wireless, indeed only a couple of cars in the UK have wireless carplay (the new 3 series, new A7 and E-tron being a couple of them).

Wireless charging doesn't allow for Wireless CarPlay, it only takes the power wirelessly, not the sound sources or data. Carplay is thrown/streamed over the wired USB connection.

Oh and you won't have wireless charging on your Golf, that option was dropped across all VAG cars in mid 2018. It was found that the signal-boosting technology used in the option could receive signals from restricted sources and organisations that are ordinarily illegal to intercept. So VAG pulled the option across all their cars.

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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #8 on: 02 February 2019, 20:37 »
That’s odd considering Audi have wireless charging in their new cars including the new A1. If CarPlay doesn’t work over wireless then it may as well charge being plugged to run CarPlay.  I’m finding it tricky confirming the exact spec of mine. I specifically wanted High Beam Assist as I have it on the A3. It was an option on pre- WLTP GTIs but now dropped. Instead, I get Dynamic Curve as standard but no mention if this includes high beam assist. I know the matrix LED system goes one better by casting a shadow over oncoming cars. As that isn’t an available option anymore I’m not sure if that’s now standard. Dealer wasn’t 100% sure either.
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Re: DynAudio questions
« Reply #9 on: 02 February 2019, 22:58 »
That’s odd considering Audi have wireless charging in their new cars including the new A1. If CarPlay doesn’t work over wireless then it may as well charge being plugged to run CarPlay.  I’m finding it tricky confirming the exact spec of mine. I specifically wanted High Beam Assist as I have it on the A3. It was an option on pre- WLTP GTIs but now dropped. Instead, I get Dynamic Curve as standard but no mention if this includes high beam assist. I know the matrix LED system goes one better by casting a shadow over oncoming cars. As that isn’t an available option anymore I’m not sure if that’s now standard. Dealer wasn’t 100% sure either.
I think it’s now standard, but I’m in much the same boat as you are regarding what is now standard spec!
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