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Offline Tally

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Re: Help To Buy - My First GTI?
« Reply #20 on: 07 September 2018, 18:08 »
Watts...lmao. 😷

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Re: Help To Buy - My First GTI?
« Reply #21 on: 07 September 2018, 18:14 »
Hi Tally
Although you have said that you want DSG and 5 doors, Mk7 or Mk7.5 - and a bag full of options, you have not specified your budget? Perhaps we should talk about what is actually possible/ available at this time?

From my own recent experience  - I wanted a new GTI PP, 5 doors, DSG with a bunch of options.  Dealer(s) tell me probable lead times (nope, not doing that) and at the time (early August) - there were (apparently) only 2 NEW Black GTI PPs in the country in dealer stock.  Both of these were 'spoken for' and my local dealer could not get either of them.  Sorry, but I did not enquire about red or white ones...
It took me almost 2-weeks of solid internet research and phone calls to eventually buy a used one (3 months old, 1500 miles) from a dealer who was 130 miles from home - AND it had nowhere near the options I wanted.  You can only buy what is available and what someone is willing to sell you.

Assuming you are definitely not going to order a new one (and then wait for it) - you are left with used ones (obviously) - and the best (???) place to begin is the official VW stealers.

Try the dealer website:  https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars
Then set whatever specifications you want eg.  Location and distance to travel - start small and then expand (?) - up to 150 miles?
Also tick 'Performance Golfs' - and switch to 'Advanced Search'.  Here you can put in your Price, Mileage and 1st Reg date - then the Number of Doors, Auto gearbox, Power - 'more than 240 ps' (to get PP models - and R - but not GTD's) - then 'View Results'
Note - do not be too picky about colour or any other options (yet).

BINGO - I can now trawl my way through 86 Golfs (at VW stealers) that match a spec of:  up to 150 miles from a large town in Wiltshire, up to £30k, less than 10k miles and 1st reg 2017 - 2018, 5 doors, DSG, power more than 240 ps.

And that's it if you want a used one from a dealer -you will get some warranty etc. and a big company to whinge at if it goes wrong.
Happy reading about what is available (?) TODAY.
Be prepared to look carefully at the photos (the 'equipment' descriptions vary vastly in quality - most are a cut and paste from a strandard car) and do not always mention the options shown in the photos, and make lots of phone calls to check the actual current mileage etc.
I belive that now you know what is actually 'out there' - then you can start to specify what you would actually settle for (minimum spec, colour maybe) - and take it from there.

Sorry to sound a bit cynical and downbeat - but, I found that dealing with reality saved me a lot of pointless wishing...
Best of luck - and do come back and let us know what you eventually get.

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Re: Help To Buy - My First GTI?
« Reply #22 on: 07 September 2018, 23:07 »
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The reason I went for a GTi and not an R is because of how much better it drove than the R. The R feels like a tank in comparison to a GTi.

A tank  :grin: So it was you, I read that a little while back. Sorry pal, mine doesn’t and I should know.
Must have been a poor example or ?
Come and drive mine, I know this upsets folks on here but good though a GTI is. My R I beats it on every level apart from MPG.
Maybe try a 7.5 for without the pressure of a salesman or seller beside you.
Arrived 15/5/17 Mk 7.5 R Lapiz 5dr DSG, Prets, Pan Roof, DCC, Rear View Cam.
Our other car is a Mk7 GTI DSG 5dr Tungsten, Vienna, Rear View Cam, Park assist.

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Re: Help To Buy - My First GTI?
« Reply #23 on: 08 September 2018, 07:08 »
Thanks again for all the help/advice, it's all really useful & appreciated.

oldShaw, not cynical at all, really great advice.
Budget wise I'm going to be part exchanging a 65 plate Mercedes A200 AMG Line Premium Plus with that the budget is around £23/24k.
I have been looking on the VW Used Site & i find it's a lot more useful than Autotrader with its listings/information.
Cheers for now

Offline Ryan90GTI

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Re: Help To Buy - My First GTI?
« Reply #24 on: 08 September 2018, 08:51 »
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The reason I went for a GTi and not an R is because of how much better it drove than the R. The R feels like a tank in comparison to a GTi.

A tank  :grin: So it was you, I read that a little while back. Sorry pal, mine doesn’t and I should know.
Must have been a poor example or ?
Come and drive mine, I know this upsets folks on here but good though a GTI is. My R I beats it on every level apart from MPG.
Maybe try a 7.5 for without the pressure of a salesman or seller beside you.

I test drove a few different R's as I really wanted one - I didn't like how they handled compared to a Clubsport and I felt the GTi PP was the next best thing.

Believe me, I'm under no pressure with a salesman sat next to me when I'm spending my hard earned pennies, the car has to be right or I'm walking away.

It's all a matter of opinions and each Golf offers something slightly different.

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Re: Help To Buy - My First GTI?
« Reply #25 on: 08 September 2018, 10:10 »
With your budget you aren’t far off a brand new car with all the benefits of full warranty. Maybe not a load of extras but the GTi really don’t need much added. Or go down the leasing route as many of us have with GTi and get a new one every couple of years.
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Re: Help To Buy - My First GTI?
« Reply #26 on: 08 September 2018, 11:47 »
Some good practical advice and opinions on here as always.

For what it’s worth, as someone who has had the odd car or twenty over the last 30 odd years including quite a few ‘Performance’ Golfs including an example of each of the (pre-facelift) current crop, I’d say first and foremost don’t get hung up on spec.

Buy on condition, then price and then worry about fitted extras last.
These current generation cars are well equipped, ride well and perform well as standard (aside from godawful throttle response at low openings).

With the current WLTP production delays there are long wait times on ALL new builds meaning healthy demand for in stock cars.
Either tough it out and be prepared to wait a long time for your ideal spec (unless you’re very lucky) or buy the best of what’s available now. Stocks that get depleted now won’t be replaced any time soon with production delays and it’ll slow the whole market down, new and used.

The GTI PP comes very well equipped as standard. It has everything you could reasonably expect in a mid sized hatch straight out of the factory.

I’ve had a GTI PP, GTD, R and Clubsport and can happily report as a fusspot about ride quality that they all ride fine on 18 and 19” wheels minus DCC.
I found the R rides the best, the GTI and GTD can be caught out a bit with sharp imperfections causing a loud crash very occasionally through the cab and the Clubsport rides a bit more noisily again.
I used to modify all my cars including changing the suspension if I thought it necessary.
I therefore became very sensitive to ride quality having put up with jelly like suspension as standard in Sporty Golfs (GTIs VR6s etc) up until the mk5 at which point VW got the blend pretty good for a road car, and at the other end of the extreme I got fed up with crashy springs on lowered suspension designed by Germans for their smoother roads.
The DCC only affects damper rates. It’s the springs that transmit crashes to the cabin primarily unless controlled very well by well matched dampers.
Happily I can report that DCC really isn’t necessary unless you’re doing big miles over very varied roads.
The standard suspension is fine. And less to go wrong.  :grin:
Nice to have, but not essential.

Cars can vary in price dramatically from dealer to dealer and area to area.
If you want to get the best price then be prepared to travel. However test driving a few cars locally costs little and you’ll soon get to experience what extras you can and can’t live with.

For me, the standard car is fine, it has everything you need.
Everyone’s wants and needs are different, only you can really know yours but I’ve seen so many people on forums over the years spec their cars like Christmas trees having never tried the standard model. Must be nice to have money to burn!  :laugh:
‘25 8.5R, ‘23 8R, ‘20 8CS, ‘19 135iX, ‘19 TCR, ‘17 Ed40, ‘17 GTD, ‘15 7R, ‘13 GTI PP, ‘11 GTI, ‘09 GTI, ‘98 Ibiza Cupra, ‘05 GTI, ‘06 Polo GTI, ‘04 GT TDI, ‘05 Fabia vRS, ‘02 GTI T, ‘03 Ibiza TDI 130, ‘01 Leon 180, ‘89 mk2 16v, ‘99 Ibiza TDI, ‘96 VR6, ‘98 Ibiza TDI, ‘92 VR6, ‘88 mk2 8v, ‘92 Polo G40, ‘91 mk2 8v, ‘89 mk2 8v, 205 GTI 1.9, ‘83 mk1 GTI, ‘80 Scirocco GTI, plus some others I’ve forgotten 

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Re: Help To Buy - My First GTI?
« Reply #27 on: 08 September 2018, 12:14 »
Thanks again for all the help/advice, it's all really useful & appreciated.

oldShaw, not cynical at all, really great advice.
Budget wise I'm going to be part exchanging a 65 plate Mercedes A200 AMG Line Premium Plus with that the budget is around £23/24k.
I have been looking on the VW Used Site & i find it's a lot more useful than Autotrader with its listings/information.
Cheers for now

Clubsport. Simple as that. Harrogate VW have one at the moment as I was there the other day for £25k  Decent spec; Dynaudio (this is a must for me), reverse camera and Pro Nav. May have a few more bits.

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