Clubsport remap

[rwleigh]

I agree mcdaddy. Dont see the point in the map if your driving round avoiding the whole point of the map.
Anybody else make clutches for a clubsport other than sachs? And does it use an r clutch or are they different?

I never drive around the torque! I just get in and drive it. That said, i fully expect to need a new clutch sooner rather than later if I keep the car long term. I knew and accepted this when I had it mapped and don't worry about it. There are many clutch kits available for the MK7, such as South Bend, DKM and Sachs but in the UK Sachs seems to be the one to fit.
There looks like there is a slight difference between the GTI and R clutch kits looking at this...
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/sachs-performance/?_bc_fsnf=1&model=Golf+Mk7
Maybe the CS one is the same as the R though going by the price...

[Robo999]

Yeah ive been looking but all that seems to pop up is sachs. Il have to look a little deeper. Id heard that the clutches were weak but wasnt sure at which point they got mardy.  shouldve bought a dsg 

[wigit]

I went dsg on the R for the reason of the fragility of stock clutches and I new I would modify it.

Upgraded clutches are fine, I have ran a Sachs on a Scirocco and a Helix on a Mk5 GTI, the reason I went Helix was it was not as heavy on the pedal as the Sachs which was mildly irritating on a 20K a year mileage

Depends how you drive as to how quickly they slip and some mappers limit torque in lower gears

[scanesare]

I went dsg on the R for the reason of the fragility of stock clutches and I new I would modify it.

Same here. Plus I've grown to really like the DSG anyway so...

[rwleigh]

Depends how you drive as to how quickly they slip and some mappers limit torque in lower gears

REVO do this... Maybe why mine is fine so far?

[CS#303]

How does a remap affect the overboost?
Is it 265hp +20% say all the time or is overboost still there, so 265hp+20% and overboost of 290hp+20%?
Sorry if its a silly question. 

[scanesare]

How does a remap affect the overboost?
Is it 265hp +20% say all the time or is overboost still there, so 265hp+20% and overboost of 290hp+20%?
Sorry if its a silly question. 

Most tunes completely remove it, so 290 + ~20% ~360-370bhp all the time (which is why some tuners falsely advertise 100bhp gains)  It maybe be called whatever, but in reality there is no 10" overboost feature in the sense that you are asking more from the engine. Rather, a permanent underboost to 265ps with the 10" WOT exceptions where it actually runs the same, stock boost levels as the Cupra and the R (same engine). It is all VW marketing BS to differentiate models and make sure one (CS) does not tread too much on the toes of the other (R).

[Exonian]

I wouldn't want to be driving around torque or avoiding certain conditions just because of the clutch. If my car was remapped I'd want to just get in and drive and enjoy what I'd paid for so if that means a replacement clutch then that's what I'd be replacing first.

Unfortunately it's not just the clutch that wears if you let the engine pull from low revs in a high gear with higher boost than standard. This type driving will kill the clutch in a standard R never mind a modified one but once extra boost is dialled in it puts wear on a lot more components in the drivetrain.

The high boost at around 2000rpm in an ED40/R or about 1500rpm in a GTI when modified isn't good for the drivetrain as a whole so you do really need to drive around this a little when modified. I've had modified turbo cars from various mappers since the late 90's and it's around the initial peak boost that you get the problems.
DSG cars will snick down a gear or two so they can get around this, it's programmed in from VW. DSG cars do get clutch slip too, just less of it and the DSG can be mapped to increase clamping force.


It's a shame that the best part of a remapped engine - that low down torque in high gears - can't be used too often in a modified ED40/R manual without an upgraded clutch. Or the most useable feature of a remapped engine should I say. To some the higher peak power is the be all and end all.

Smoothness is the key, no sudden snapping open of the accelerator at peak boost, just build it smoothly.
Keep in mind the turbo and crank are things that spin, and things that spin like to increase speed progressively!

I ran the JB1 on my R (manual) for about a year, maybe a bit longer (albeit low mileage) and didn't suffer any clutch slip.

[scanesare]

I wouldn't want to be driving around torque or avoiding certain conditions just because of the clutch. If my car was remapped I'd want to just get in and drive and enjoy what I'd paid for so if that means a replacement clutch then that's what I'd be replacing first.

Unfortunately it's not just the clutch that wears if you let the engine pull from low revs in a high gear with higher boost than standard. This type driving will kill the clutch in a standard R never mind a modified one but once extra boost is dialled in it puts wear on a lot more components in the drivetrain.

The high boost at around 2000rpm in an ED40/R or about 1500rpm in a GTI when modified isn't good for the drivetrain as a whole so you do really need to drive around this a little when modified. I've had modified turbo cars from various mappers since the late 90's and it's around the initial peak boost that you get the problems.
DSG cars will snick down a gear or two so they can get around this, it's programmed in from VW. DSG cars do get clutch slip too, just less of it and the DSG can be mapped to increase clamping force.


It's a shame that the best part of a remapped engine - that low down torque in high gears - can't be used too often in a modified ED40/R manual without an upgraded clutch. Or the most useable feature of a remapped engine should I say. To some the higher peak power is the be all and end all.

Smoothness is the key, no sudden snapping open of the accelerator at peak boost, just build it smoothly.
Keep in mind the turbo and crank are things that spin, and things that spin like to increase speed progressively!

I ran the JB1 on my R (manual) for about a year, maybe a bit longer (albeit low mileage) and didn't suffer any clutch slip.

+1

Avoiding driving on the torque in remapped cars  - esp. turbo engines that see so big torque gains from a simple remap - is good practice in general. Your turbo amongst other drive-train components will thank you for that.

[CS#303]

Hi scanesare,
Interesting, thanks for the info... its a lot of power for a FWD! Is yours mapped?
Does the power meter thing show the full remapped amount? Mine doesn't seem to show the 'overboost' only the max 'underboosted' amount at least that's what I think, its hard to watch and watch the road!
;-)