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Offline Robo999

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Clubsport remap
« on: 13 May 2018, 19:53 »
Hi guys. Now the usual question..  :whistle: what sort of power have people been seeing from stage 1 maps and who were they with? More power is now needed getting bored  :evil:

Also what power and torque have people noticed the manual clitch starts to get grumpy at?  :laugh:
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Offline rwleigh

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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #1 on: 13 May 2018, 20:10 »
Very happy with my REVO stage 1 and no clutch issues so far. Mapped at 3 weeks old and 800 miles, now
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Offline scanesare

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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #2 on: 13 May 2018, 21:25 »
360 to 370bhp and 480 to 510 Nm are the typical stage 1 figures for all off-the-shelf tunes on these engines (exactly the same as on the Cupra) which are already clutch slipping figures for the manual cars. According to reports from GTIs, Cupras and Rs that share the same gearbox when exactly this will become apparent can be anything from 5 to 30K and very much depending on the type of use. Low torque files will also help postponing the issues but eventually it's a known weakness of the stock clutch even on stage 1 standard GTIs.

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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #3 on: 13 May 2018, 22:07 »
Think il start looking at a clutch 1st then. Looks like sachs is the way.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #4 on: 13 May 2018, 22:17 »
I think i'd go forward keeping in mind it will probably be a cost down the road rather than start from it, rwleigh's car seems to be fine 8k in.

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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #5 on: 13 May 2018, 22:42 »
Think il start looking at a clutch 1st then. Looks like sachs is the way.  :rolleyes:

If you're going to remap, i'd get the new clutch in now, that way you won't be paying for a new clutch and a new flywheel, when slipping causes heat damage on the flywheel. I'd say slip is inevitable on a remap, it's not up to the job on stock output, let alone putting the torque up 20%.

My R is totally stock, and it has briefly slipped twice, both cold winter days (-2C and 0C), putting my foot down a little in 4th at 40mph. You might get away with it on a remap in the Summer months, but the Winter will show your clutch up.

If I decide i'm keeping mine for the long haul (it is 3 years old this month, and I bought the 5 year warranty), i'll be looking to get a Sachs organic clutch the next time it slips, before the flywheel is goosed.
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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #6 on: 13 May 2018, 22:44 »
There seems to be a lot of R’s struggling on standard clutches.
I’ve held off fitting my JB1 due to clutch concerns.

But having said that I’d still go for a map before upgrading the clutch.
Probably a low torque map and try and drive around revs that’ll upset the clutch at first.
Then if the clutch gave up the ghost further down the line I’d go for a Sachs and then return to the tuner to get a higher torque map put on.
That way, once the clutch and full fat map were added, you’d get yet another lease of life and feel like you’d got better value out of the new clutch as you’d have more torque too. Possibly feeling like you’d had a stage 2 map.
Once you’ve upgraded the clutch a stage 2 could actually be next in line.
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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #7 on: 13 May 2018, 23:01 »
I must admit, I rarely use 4th to accelerate (usually only to drive in slow traffic to maintain 25-30mph), if I did routinely do what I did when it slipped then maybe i'd have seen the slip a lot sooner than 23k miles. Usually cruise in 6th from 40mph and up, but drop to 3rd for a brief spurt of hard acceleration rather than relying on torque. Due to the lower temps, I dropped to 4th rather than 3rd.

Avoid driving on the torque if you do remap.
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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #8 on: 14 May 2018, 07:39 »
I wouldn't want to be driving around torque or avoiding certain conditions just because of the clutch. If my car was remapped I'd want to just get in and drive and enjoy what I'd paid for so if that means a replacement clutch then that's what I'd be replacing first.
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Offline Robo999

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Re: Clubsport remap
« Reply #9 on: 14 May 2018, 09:49 »
I agree mcdaddy. Dont see the point in the map if your driving round avoiding the whole point of the map.
Anybody else make clutches for a clubsport other than sachs? And does it use an r clutch or are they different?
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