Golf GTI TCR announced

[scanesare]

As for suspension differences between a GTI and CS i'm afraid you're wrong (but you knew that  ). CS is confirmed to have different (stiffer) springs and slightly different camber settings i think, and it surely feels like it, haven't you read any CS review?

Of course I've read the reviews. I'm the biggest VW / GTI anorak there is. But I tend not to believe everything I read in reviews, as more often than not they're full of marketing blurb, false assumptions and general inaccuracies - I wouldn't watch Top Gear for example if I wanted accurate information on a car's spec. I've also driven a CS - I was extremely close to buying one last year, but it didn't happen for various reasons.

Can you point me at a reliable source that actually describes the suspension differences? I'm genuinely curious, as I still don't think there is any, barring something very minor. Are there actual verifiable part number differences?  I remember back in the MK5 days, some people were convinced that the Edition 30 had a lower ride / different suspension setup than the standard GTI. It didn't.

There are threads (in this forum as well) that show the differences between a GTI / CS / CSS. There you can see the different part numbers on springs, they are not lower but stiffer (please don't ask me to go find them for you, it's Friday night). Easiest thing would be to drive a standard GTI and a CS back to back, i'm sure you would not need any p/n to convince you afterwards.

When I say reviews I certainly did not mean Top Gear or even worse Grand Tour. There are some pretty decent magazines thought that I have more than once found my findings to be in agreement with their conclusions and I would say they can in general be trusted.

[Watts]

As for suspension differences between a GTI and CS i'm afraid you're wrong (but you knew that  ). CS is confirmed to have different (stiffer) springs and slightly different camber settings i think, and it surely feels like it, haven't you read any CS review?

Of course I've read the reviews. I'm the biggest VW / GTI anorak there is. But I tend not to believe everything I read in reviews, as more often than not they're full of marketing blurb, false assumptions and general inaccuracies - I wouldn't watch Top Gear for example if I wanted accurate information on a car's spec. I've also driven a CS - I was extremely close to buying one last year, but it didn't happen for various reasons.

Can you point me at a reliable source that actually describes the suspension differences? I'm genuinely curious, as I still don't think there is any, barring something very minor. Are there actual verifiable part number differences?  I remember back in the MK5 days, some people were convinced that the Edition 30 had a lower ride / different suspension setup than the standard GTI. It didn't.

This old thread might prove useful (or not as the case may be) - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=279388.0

[king monkey]

The Edition 35 was late in the Mk6 lifecycle and look how they have held their value over a regular mk6. I had 5k equity in mine when I traded it in. That’s crazy nowadays!

[SPIKE_CS]

I’ll be keeping a very keen eye on how this develops, as I’m very interested. Depending on price and when delivers start, it more than likely will be getting an order from me.

I think the mk7.5 is the best looking Golf to date, and I’m not overly liking the new design that VW are taking with there new models, so this is making me think that the TCR is a perfect fit for me. The next few months will tell 

[s200bym]

I have been looking into this car my self as I am/was interested in buying it. However, I have since spoken to VW customer services and it is looking like the UK won't get the TCR

Here is the response I got.


Dear Mr Love

Thank you for your recent contact.

Unfortunately, the update link has been removed from the website at present. I am sorry for any disappointment that this may cause.

I have spoken with our Product Marketing Team who has advised that there are no plans for this vehicle specification to be offered in the UK in the immediate future. The reason for this is that we do not anticipate that there would be sufficient orders of this specification for the UK market. I am sincerely sorry for any disappointment that this may cause.

I hope this information proves useful. If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us on the number below.
   
Thank you for contacting Volkswagen UK.

Kind regards


Adeel Saeed
Volkswagen Customer Services Centre

[wantmygti]

I wonder if the lack of Clubsport orders relative to the potential availablility has played in to this. I reckon they would of sold a fair few, but the price would likely rule many out who couldn’t justify the extra over and above a GTi or R.

[Jeff Wood]

The Clubsport does not have different suspension to the regular GTI.

It's the Clubsport S that has a few differences.



It's only the suspension springs that are different.

Also, the CS still has the heavy calipers and discs of the PP, those calipers are 7.5kg each, compared to 4.5kg of the Audi TT RS. That's a hell of a lot of unsprung weight.

And unless you get the Belveldere wheels, you get the Brescia's which are heavy wheels !, plus 235/35 tyres which slow down the acceleration dues to their larger overal diameter compared to the 18's with 225/40..

Anyway, this pics shows the various part numbers of suspension components between the models..






So the bottom line.....if you want the ultimate Golf....buy a CSS 

[fredgroves]

Interesting analysis!

I take it that the numbers next to the CSS part numbers are prices.... ie someone is pricing up a CSS conversion?

[ar899]

So there is as much chance of ordering a TCR as there is a standard GTI

[a9wyn]

I have been looking into this car my self as I am/was interested in buying it. However, I have since spoken to VW customer services and it is looking like the UK won't get the TCR

Here is the response I got.


Dear Mr Love

Thank you for your recent contact.

Unfortunately, the update link has been removed from the website at present. I am sorry for any disappointment that this may cause.

I have spoken with our Product Marketing Team who has advised that there are no plans for this vehicle specification to be offered in the UK in the immediate future. The reason for this is that we do not anticipate that there would be sufficient orders of this specification for the UK market. I am sincerely sorry for any disappointment that this may cause.

I hope this information proves useful. If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us on the number below.
   
Thank you for contacting Volkswagen UK.

Kind regards


Adeel Saeed
Volkswagen Customer Services Centre

But yet they are bringing out this variation on the R.....http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/103693/new-volkswagen-golf-r-performance-pack-2018-review