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Offline scanesare

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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #90 on: 11 January 2018, 14:17 »
There's one crucial (to me at least) factor that could easily turn the discussion one way or another that hasn't been mentioned so far: the OP's budget. The only thing we know is he will be looking at pre-FL cars whether GTI or R but with what money in mind? Without that info this is an all-too-general-hardly-new "should I buy a GTI or R" discussion, isn't it?


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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #91 on: 11 January 2018, 14:19 »

That's why many Golf R drivers moved to the VWROC forum. You should try asking the same question over there. It would be interesting to see if you get a balanced response.

Sounds like your wife thinks you should buy an Golf R. Though I suppose you still have to pay for it.

Good luck with that balanced response on vwroc.   :grin:

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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #92 on: 11 January 2018, 15:41 »
I have been on the R forum but there not too helpful i've found.  Between me and the wife i'm the sensible one when it comes to money  :whistle:

When it comes to price this is where I am a bit confused so I said to the steelers this is what I want to pay per month so I just need a yes or no answer if we can do a deal?  They reckon yes but I think towards the end of this year i'll have the money for it but i'll see what deals they have.  I told them I only want to pay £200-250 per month over 3 years and I don't want a massive balloon payment at the end.  And as deposit I only want to use my S3 really which is a 2008 with 80k and satnav & bose system as extra's.  Think i'll get offered only 6k for it but I will see if I can squeeze them.  If I can't afford it now then by the end of the year ill have some money in the bank anyway to make up the differance.  Think PCP is the way to go or again at the end of the year I should get a interest free offer on one of my credit cards.  Offers at the moment are a bit rubbish

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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #93 on: 11 January 2018, 18:38 »
I have been on the R forum but there not too helpful i've found. 


That’s because a large proportion of them don’t know what a GTI is, or it’s virtues.  :laugh:
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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #94 on: 11 January 2018, 18:52 »
You're just proving scanesare's point there - you're focusing on just the advantages in pulling away from a standing start. When you say "my lady's GTI would struggle", I agree - yes it would, but only at pulling away and your R would be equally as bad at stopping or cornering (assuming an even/trailing throttle - if you're booting it, you shouldn't be out in those conditions).
You are wasting your breath. Lots of us have tried to explain this simple concept to CHB100. He is NEVER going to understand it. :rolleyes:


For me being able to have traction on a slippery slope and on the flat to gain momentum is the most IIMPORTANT FACT. While others with 2WD spin 240 horses without progress.
Once on the road I still feel more confident in The knowledge that I’m less likely to get stuck! Albeit similar both may be in gentle driving in icy conditions.
Friend I do have both to try in those conditions so is my true experience and not garnered from hearsay
Also you seem to think I am claiming something I am not to the point of boredom.
Please come and have a test in mine in such conditions in said situations or any come to that.
I won’t bother with rolleyes.

Dearie me you boys still don't get. So you don't think
To repeat to OP if you can afford all incurred costs buy an R over anything else.

Surely the most important thing is to have traction to lose momentum, not gain it?

The disadvantages of not gaining momentum are simply time - the disadvantages of not losing momentum could be time, money and lives.

As has been said - you're obviously blinkered in your opinion and not open to others viewpoints so I'll probably leave it there. I'm off to push a double decker bus up a 1 in 4 hill on my own - it's probably easier than having a reasoned discussion with you.
If you don't gain momentum pal you don't go anywhere until a 4WD tows you out!

So you are saying a 2WD is as good or bad as a R in ALL situations, if not you agree with me. Blimey I can't get it between your ears can i, I wonder why :grin: :drool: :cool:
Still one day for sure you will hopefully get the chance to find out. As you seem to ignore my own experiences with silly juvenile :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: comments.

Nope "pal", if you actually re-read it, you'll note that I actually agree that all things being equal, an R will pull away better than a GTI, even one with the PP. It's even quoted above in my post. What I'm also saying is that it's at this point that the advantages end - you'll have exactly the same braking and cornering abilities in the GTI as the R. Especially when you consider the only time an R is 4wd is when you've lost traction accelerating as it then starts to feed power to the rear wheels.

You seem to think that it's either black or white, either...

a) an R is better than a GTI in ALL situations,
or
b) a GTI is as good as an R in ALL situations.

Neither of which are true. It's been repeatedly said that an R will pull away better than a GTI - it even does it when there's a lot of grip, nature of the 4WD vs FWD beast. I'd also say that in any level of grip, the GTI PP will brake and pull up in the same (maybe slightly less, it is lighter and has exactly the same brakes, after all) distance as the R. Feel free to do some tests of your own as you have access to all the equipment.

As for my "silly juvenile" comment - maybe it comes from exasperation that some people won't accept a reasoned argument. My argument (and many others) is that we AGREE WITH YOU that in any condition (especially slippery one's), the R will pull away better than a GTI. However it won't stop better, which (in my opinion) is probably more important. Anyone can have as much driving experience as they like, but it doesn't stop someone pulling out on you etc.

Here you go, a rolleyes just for you - saved you the bother!  :rolleyes:

Anyway - apologies to the OP for the off topic "bants" and back to the original question. I got a GTI PP as I needed a car sooner rather than later when I got it - had I been able to wait, I'd have got an R, especially as after I'd specced mine up, it cost the same as a vanilla R would have done.
In my opinion, the GTI definitely looks better (which is subjective) and once moving, drives better (albeit slower as it has less power) but it's plenty fast enough for me (especially with a tuning box).
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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #95 on: 11 January 2018, 19:42 »
Nope "pal", if you actually re-read it, you'll note that I actually agree that all things being equal, an R will pull away better than a GTI, even one with the PP. It's even quoted above in my post.

As for my "silly juvenile" comment - maybe it comes from exasperation that some people won't accept a reasoned argument. My argument (and many others) is that we AGREE WITH YOU that in any condition (especially slippery one's), the R will pull away better than a GTI. However it won't stop better, which (in my opinion) is probably more important. Anyone can have as much driving experience as they like, but it doesn't stop someone pulling out on you etc.
There is another thread where the same guy made the same claims about the super powers of his Golf R on snow and ice.

As I said, he will NEVER understand what you are saying. He knows better than all of us. :rolleyes:

The rest of us understand exactly what you are saying. Several of us also share your exasperation that someone can be so blinkered.

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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #96 on: 12 January 2018, 09:18 »
These are the figures they came back with.  I thought not bad?:

The figures are based on a 49 month PCP covering 14000 miles a year

 Your part exchange more than covers the 30% deposit so we would give you back £2000.00

 49 monthly payments at £280.46 per month with a option to purchase final payment of £4860.00

They said subject to viewing my car I would get £7000 for it.  This is were finance confuses me?  Couldn't I just use the whole amount my car is worth against a new one and reduce the monthly payments?  Or it has to be a low deposit so they make more money in the long term?

This was the car http://www.parkwayvolkswagen.co.uk/used-car-details/used-volkswagen-golf-gtigtdr-20-tsi-gti-220-ps-hatchback-tornado-red-manual-petrol/id-131655488122/

Its nice but the wrong colour and manual

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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #97 on: 12 January 2018, 10:03 »
Its nice but the wrong colour and manual
Also, it does not have the performance pack.

Does it have red GTI badges like the performance pack? It is hard to tell from those photos.

Are you wanting one of the boring colours that blend in? :tongue: :grin:

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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #98 on: 12 January 2018, 10:10 »
Looks spot on except for the number of doors.

I think it has the PP pack, look at 5th photo.
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Re: Golf GTI or the R
« Reply #99 on: 12 January 2018, 10:27 »
I think it has the PP pack, look at 5th photo.
It says the car is 220ps and not the 230ps of the performance pack. Photo 5 shows the smaller brake discs. There is a smaller gap between PP brake disks and the wheel. The brake callipers in photo 3 look solid red. There should be a little bit of white visible from the GTI print.

My car also had bigger exhaust pipe covers. Is that just a Mk7.5 thing? :undecided: Going to look at some photos. Edit: the exhaust pipe covers appear to be smaller on the Mk7 GTIs.
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