Golf GTI or the R

[BobbyT]

The R is faster in gear than the GTI. Both great cars

There's a good vid where they test a GTI and an R using a data logger, in gear and 0-60. The R is faster on both counts by a good margin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRfxc5Tmj1w

A tuned GTI,  a standard CS or even Cupra would take a standard R no doubt. If you tune the R then you've got a real weapon.

Is one better than the other..... it depends what you want. The GTI PP is all the car you would need. If you wanted a little more power then get the R. If you want a fast estate... get the R.

[Watts]

In the UK, especially in southern England the number of days per year which are snowy/icy are likely to be less than 10.  On the other hand days when the roads are damp are 100+.  Therefore I would value the extra ability the R has in pulling away at roundabouts and junctions in these condition.  However you need to weigh this up against higher running costs (mpg).  Overall I'm happy with my GTi PP 95% of the time and it's only the other 5% I wish I had an R.

I suppose it also helps having a 997 weekend toy, my other car for occasional use is a Lupo 1.0

[Daz Auto]

You're just proving scanesare's point there - you're focusing on just the advantages in pulling away from a standing start. When you say "my lady's GTI would struggle", I agree - yes it would, but only at pulling away and your R would be equally as bad at stopping or cornering (assuming an even/trailing throttle - if you're booting it, you shouldn't be out in those conditions).

You are wasting your breath. Lots of us have tried to explain this simple concept to CHB100. He is NEVER going to understand it.

[dubber36]

I wonder if the OP is any more enlightened.

[Darlo]

The R is faster in gear than the GTI. Both great cars

There's a good vid where they test a GTI and an R using a data logger, in gear and 0-60. The R is faster on both counts by a good margin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRfxc5Tmj1w

A tuned GTI,  a standard CS or even Cupra would take a standard R no doubt. If you tune the R then you've got a real weapon.

Is one better than the other..... it depends what you want. The GTI PP is all the car you would need. If you wanted a little more power then get the R. If you want a fast estate... get the R.

Enjoyed that video thanks for posting

[clubsport]

The insurance is due on my GTi PP, I ran the renewal quote for an R that is 2 years younger than my car.
Obviously the value of the R was higher, I was surprised to see the quote only £8 higher for the R with the same driver details as the base for calculation.

I appreciate we all have different profiles, but I was surprised how reasonable the quote for the R is considering the increase in bhp and apparent desirability from thieves.

[fredgroves]

Was that 3 door or 5 door though? I believe that 5 door performance cars are a more popular target - I guess its easier to get your mates/other bank robbers in the rear...

[CHB100]

You're just proving scanesare's point there - you're focusing on just the advantages in pulling away from a standing start. When you say "my lady's GTI would struggle", I agree - yes it would, but only at pulling away and your R would be equally as bad at stopping or cornering (assuming an even/trailing throttle - if you're booting it, you shouldn't be out in those conditions).

You are wasting your breath. Lots of us have tried to explain this simple concept to CHB100. He is NEVER going to understand it.

For me being able to have traction on a slippery slope and on the flat to gain momentum is the most IIMPORTANT FACT. While others with 2WD spin 240 horses without progress.
Once on the road I still feel more confident in The knowledge that I’m less likely to get stuck! Albeit similar both may be in gentle driving in icy conditions.
Friend I do have both to try in those conditions so is my true experience and not garnered from hearsay
Also you seem to think I am claiming something I am not to the point of boredom.
Please come and have a test in mine in such conditions in said situations or any come to that.
I won’t bother with rolleyes.
To repeat to OP if you can afford all incurred costs buy an R over anything else.

[clubsport]

Was that 3 door or 5 door though? I believe that 5 door performance cars are a more popular target - I guess its easier to get your mates/other bank robbers in the rear...

Funnily enough I have a 3 door GTi and the random Golf R reg plate I used for the quote was from a 16 plate, 5 door for sale at a dealer online.

[Gnasher]

You're just proving scanesare's point there - you're focusing on just the advantages in pulling away from a standing start. When you say "my lady's GTI would struggle", I agree - yes it would, but only at pulling away and your R would be equally as bad at stopping or cornering (assuming an even/trailing throttle - if you're booting it, you shouldn't be out in those conditions).

You are wasting your breath. Lots of us have tried to explain this simple concept to CHB100. He is NEVER going to understand it.

For me being able to have traction on a slippery slope and on the flat to gain momentum is the most IIMPORTANT FACT. While others with 2WD spin 240 horses without progress.
Once on the road I still feel more confident in The knowledge that I’m less likely to get stuck! Albeit similar both may be in gentle driving in icy conditions.
Friend I do have both to try in those conditions so is my true experience and not garnered from hearsay
Also you seem to think I am claiming something I am not to the point of boredom.
Please come and have a test in mine in such conditions in said situations or any come to that.
I won’t bother with rolleyes.
To repeat to OP if you can afford all incurred costs buy an R over anything else.

Surely the most important thing is to have traction to lose momentum, not gain it?

The disadvantages of not gaining momentum are simply time - the disadvantages of not losing momentum could be time, money and lives.

As has been said - you're obviously blinkered in your opinion and not open to others viewpoints so I'll probably leave it there. I'm off to push a double decker bus up a 1 in 4 hill on my own - it's probably easier than having a reasoned discussion with you.