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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #10 on: 13 November 2017, 11:45 »
Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.

Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).

And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...

Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.

Your car, your choice, but be informed.

I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong - if you have modified the car (in this case remapping it) which causes other parts of the car to work outside of their specified design parameters (for instance, the turbo working harder to produce more boost) then does the manufacturer have the right to refuse warranty on those items too? Obviously they'd struggle if it was (for instance) a rear wheel bearing but you get the idea.

Also, whilst they could see if a tuning box had previously been fitted, they've got to delve a lot deeper than the flash count/checksum that raises the TD1 flag.

That said, I'm mainly in agreement, even if the post looks otherwise :wink: if you tune, expect to pay if related stuff goes wrong. I was in the same boat with suspension mods etc. prior to the warranty running out.
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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #11 on: 13 November 2017, 12:01 »
Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.

Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).

And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...

Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.

Your car, your choice, but be informed.

I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong - if you have modified the car (in this case remapping it) which causes other parts of the car to work outside of their specified design parameters (for instance, the turbo working harder to produce more boost) then does the manufacturer have the right to refuse warranty on those items too? Obviously they'd struggle if it was (for instance) a rear wheel bearing but you get the idea.

Also, whilst they could see if a tuning box had previously been fitted, they've got to delve a lot deeper than the flash count/checksum that raises the TD1 flag.

That said, I'm mainly in agreement, even if the post looks otherwise :wink: if you tune, expect to pay if related stuff goes wrong. I was in the same boat with suspension mods etc. prior to the warranty running out.

As I said I'm not wanting to start a debate but I know I'm right. For them to refuse warranty they have to prove that the part that failed would not have done so if it were not for the map.

I know they will tell you that the car will lose its warranty and most people will be live them but the law is the law.
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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #12 on: 13 November 2017, 12:12 »
Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.

Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).

And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...

Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.

Your car, your choice, but be informed.

I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong - if you have modified the car (in this case remapping it) which causes other parts of the car to work outside of their specified design parameters (for instance, the turbo working harder to produce more boost) then does the manufacturer have the right to refuse warranty on those items too? Obviously they'd struggle if it was (for instance) a rear wheel bearing but you get the idea.

Also, whilst they could see if a tuning box had previously been fitted, they've got to delve a lot deeper than the flash count/checksum that raises the TD1 flag.

That said, I'm mainly in agreement, even if the post looks otherwise :wink: if you tune, expect to pay if related stuff goes wrong. I was in the same boat with suspension mods etc. prior to the warranty running out.

As I said I'm not wanting to start a debate but I know I'm right. For them to refuse warranty they have to prove that the part that failed would not have done so if it were not for the map.

I know they will tell you that the car will lose its warranty and most people will be live them but the law is the law.

Easy tiger - I only asked a question. That was given away by the fact there was a question mark at the end of the sentence. :rolleyes:
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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #13 on: 13 November 2017, 12:21 »
Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.

Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).

And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...

Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.

Your car, your choice, but be informed.

I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong - if you have modified the car (in this case remapping it) which causes other parts of the car to work outside of their specified design parameters (for instance, the turbo working harder to produce more boost) then does the manufacturer have the right to refuse warranty on those items too? Obviously they'd struggle if it was (for instance) a rear wheel bearing but you get the idea.

Also, whilst they could see if a tuning box had previously been fitted, they've got to delve a lot deeper than the flash count/checksum that raises the TD1 flag.

That said, I'm mainly in agreement, even if the post looks otherwise :wink: if you tune, expect to pay if related stuff goes wrong. I was in the same boat with suspension mods etc. prior to the warranty running out.

As I said I'm not wanting to start a debate but I know I'm right. For them to refuse warranty they have to prove that the part that failed would not have done so if it were not for the map.

I know they will tell you that the car will lose its warranty and most people will be live them but the law is the law.

Easy tiger - I only asked a question. That was given away by the fact there was a question mark at the end of the sentence. :rolleyes:

Not sure why the need for the easy tiger, all I said was that I know I'm right. Your not one of these snow flakes are you that get threatened if someone say boo to you? I've been there and and VW have admitted it as have Audi when an engine went on a friend's mapped car.
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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #14 on: 13 November 2017, 12:24 »
Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply
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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #15 on: 13 November 2017, 19:33 »
Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply

I see, a snow flake it is then. Can I suggest growing a pair?
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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #16 on: 14 November 2017, 01:21 »
Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply

I see, a snow flake it is then. Can I suggest growing a pair?

Not a snowflake mate, just someone who's very good at sniffing out pillocks. I'm guessing I'm very good at it indeed looking at the evidence you've provided. Oh and my "pair" grew many decades ago. Have yours dropped yet?

Oh, and this wasn't a question.

Anyway, back to the OPs question before you engage the brain cell (yes, singular) again...
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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #17 on: 14 November 2017, 09:05 »
Anyway...

Actually, I was wrong, you don't get a TD1 for a tuning box, you get a TXD flag, which is just the same.

The low down is printed on this VAG (Audi) document in this thread:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280858.0

I suggest the OP reads that because that isn't speculation, that's VAG policy.
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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #18 on: 14 November 2017, 09:48 »
Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply

I see, a snow flake it is then. Can I suggest growing a pair?

Can you upload the letter your solicitor sent and/or the response from VW (with redactions)?

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Re: Has anyone used TDI-Tuning
« Reply #19 on: 14 November 2017, 10:07 »
Anyway...

Actually, I was wrong, you don't get a TD1 for a tuning box, you get a TXD flag, which is just the same.

The low down is printed on this VAG (Audi) document in this thread:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280858.0

I suggest the OP reads that because that isn't speculation, that's VAG policy.

The bit where it says that 'the centre is responsible for properly assessing the relationship between the tuning measures and the damage' means that they have to prove that the part was damaged by the car being mapped.

Do you think that Audi would replace the engine in a 1 year old RS3 if they didn't have to or if they could get around it in some way. Audi do not make the law when it comes to warranty. Probably 9 times out of 10 the owner of the car will roll over and take what the dealer says as the last word but you don't have to.
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