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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #30 on: 22 July 2017, 10:37 »
So basically a mk5 wins on price, because you can buy a 100k mile example for £5k, despite;
 "the Mk7 is easily the better car"

There is likely to be more maintenance with a mk5, cambelt, waterpump, cam follower and rust!

I do like the mk5, one real advantage is it lets you play more when things get out of hand compared to the mk7, not something you would ever do on Uk roads anyway!

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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #31 on: 22 July 2017, 14:28 »
So basically a mk5 wins on price, because you can buy a 100k mile example for £5k, despite;
 "the Mk7 is easily the better car"

There is likely to be more maintenance with a mk5, cambelt, waterpump, cam follower and rust!

I do like the mk5, one real advantage is it lets you play more when things get out of hand compared to the mk7, not something you would ever do on Uk roads anyway!

If you've already got a mk5 GTI and have maintained it well then you're on to a winner but buying a mk5 now will involve spending quite a substantial sum if you want a really mint car. Buying the car itself isn't a huge problem as there's a good supply of them in decent well looked after condition thankfully as many were bought by enthusiasts who looked after them properly. But these things are getting old now and bits are wearing out.
I've had a fair bit of recent experience of this as a workmate of mine was on the hunt for one for a good while and eventually bought a tidy low mileage and low owner FSH car for around £4k. That was less than 12 months ago and he's already sunk well over £2k into it just doing routine fixes of things that have worn out and there's at least a good £1k still 'could do with doing'.
Then you could turn to the issue of cosmetics as there are bound to be chips, scrapes and wheels that need refurbishing or replacing and many have air-con that no longer functions properly.
I can't remember everything he's had to do to it but on top of general things you'd expect for a car of that age it needed lots of bushes, a new sump as the drain hole gets worn, there was fuel in the oil, various bits to do inside the cylinder head on top of the usual cam belt and water pump change... the list went on and on and for months the car was in having work done once a month when payday came.
It's still cheaper than the depreciation on a newer car I'd guess and it goes really well now with a REVO stage 1 and Goodyears on all four corners. The latter additions are on top of the £2k plus maintenance bill as he wanted the car in good health before the stage 1 was added. The REVO agent said there is always much concern when people come in to ask for remaps and will happily shell out £500 plus on that but won't maintain their cars properly and worse still they won't use decent fuel as it's "too expensive".
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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #32 on: 22 July 2017, 16:56 »
i'm selling my 06 mk5 in a couple of months, full sh but needs cambelt doing and a few little bits and only has 61k miles, anyone know what it would be worth... i'd keep her but i need a car with auto high beam :(

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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #33 on: 22 July 2017, 19:09 »
I agree with Exonian, good clean MK5's are hard to find!

When I sold my one back in March, the buyer traveled 210 miles from one end of the country to the other, having spent months looking in his local area.
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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #34 on: 22 July 2017, 19:24 »
So basically a mk5 wins on price, because you can buy a 100k mile example for £5k, despite;
 "the Mk7 is easily the better car"

Simply because this is a journalist trying to write an attention grabbing article.

You don't write a piece like this and come to the obvious conclusion.

As you all rightly said though, a journalist getting to play with a nice example for a few hours is different to actually trying to find one, maintain it and live with it.
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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #35 on: 22 July 2017, 19:38 »
Some good points made above.

The article states "Happily, all are owned by Volkswagen and maintained irrespective of cost so can be counted upon to be truly representative of how these cars ought to be."

But perhaps a bit of a contradiction at the end saying a clean low mileage one will be £5,000. Not sure if such cars would be comparable to the VW heritage car.

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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #36 on: 22 July 2017, 20:00 »
So basically a mk5 wins on price, because you can buy a 100k mile example for £5k, despite;
 "the Mk7 is easily the better car"

There is likely to be more maintenance with a mk5, cambelt, waterpump, cam follower and rust!

I do like the mk5, one real advantage is it lets you play more when things get out of hand compared to the mk7, not something you would ever do on Uk roads anyway!

If you've already got a mk5 GTI and have maintained it well then you're on to a winner but buying a mk5 now will involve spending quite a substantial sum if you want a really mint car. Buying the car itself isn't a huge problem as there's a good supply of them in decent well looked after condition thankfully as many were bought by enthusiasts who looked after them properly. But these things are getting old now and bits are wearing out.
I've had a fair bit of recent experience of this as a workmate of mine was on the hunt for one for a good while and eventually bought a tidy low mileage and low owner FSH car for around £4k. That was less than 12 months ago and he's already sunk well over £2k into it just doing routine fixes of things that have worn out and there's at least a good £1k still 'could do with doing'.
Then you could turn to the issue of cosmetics as there are bound to be chips, scrapes and wheels that need refurbishing or replacing and many have air-con that no longer functions properly.
I can't remember everything he's had to do to it but on top of general things you'd expect for a car of that age it needed lots of bushes, a new sump as the drain hole gets worn, there was fuel in the oil, various bits to do inside the cylinder head on top of the usual cam belt and water pump change... the list went on and on and for months the car was in having work done once a month when payday came.
It's still cheaper than the depreciation on a newer car I'd guess and it goes really well now with a REVO stage 1 and Goodyears on all four corners. The latter additions are on top of the £2k plus maintenance bill as he wanted the car in good health before the stage 1 was added. The REVO agent said there is always much concern when people come in to ask for remaps and will happily shell out £500 plus on that but won't maintain their cars properly and worse still they won't use decent fuel as it's "too expensive".
Caveat Emptor.
Sounds more like he bought a shed to me.
ive got a 2005 leon which has been in the family since new. Yes ive done some work to it. A CV joint, bottom arms(bushes) track rod ends and a wheel barring in the past 6 years ive had it. But the parts are cheap, a total cost of less than £100 so far. To have this as a backup car and one i use in the winters, tips and dirty jobs costs me less than £500 a year inc insurance, tax, mot etc, depreciation has being next to nothing In my ownership. Yet people will run new cars and have issues as can often be seen on this site and pay £2-300 a month.
I know a couple friends of friends who have bought mk5 R32s in the past 6 months who have had no issues but I know they did their homework first and checked the cars for common issues first including what you listed.
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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #38 on: 22 July 2017, 22:28 »
Article now online  :smiley:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-golf-gti-which-generation-beats-them-all

Aye,thanks for posting.Interesting article indeed. :smiley:
I've always thought a MK5 in candy white,3 door with 18" Monzas just looks fantastic. :cool:
I've read a bit about the MK5's suffering from rust- especially in the front wings.Kind of puts me off a bit. :sad:
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Re: Autocar: New Golf GTI versus GTI Legends
« Reply #39 on: 23 July 2017, 11:01 »
As someone said above its a journalist trying to get the sensational outcome.

I'm currently waiting for my facelift GTi to replace my 3 year old GTD. Am I likely to rethink my purchase of a brand new car with all the reliability, toys and prestige that brings to buy a 10 year old car they may need to be off the road regularly for repairs, quite simply no !!!
And I don't think anyone else is about to make a different decision to mine!
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