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Re: Guilt
« Reply #10 on: 06 July 2017, 09:24 »
VW a few others are pitching the mild hybrid concept and certainly the Mk8 will be that. They have created the 48V electrical systems for it already. Whether there is a "sporty" mild hybrid remains to be seen though.

However, I think that they might have missed the boat on that one and that hybrids will not last long due to pressure from governments to jump to ZEV's.

ZEV is fine for those city dwellers, less useful for anyone rural or people like myself who do regular long journeys. Sure, the new generation of dedicated fast chargers are much quicker - maybe 20 minutes for a charge, but a 20 minute refuel after 50 miles is going to make those 200 mile journeys rather longer...
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #11 on: 06 July 2017, 10:35 »
VW a few others are pitching the mild hybrid concept and certainly the Mk8 will be that. They have created the 48V electrical systems for it already. Whether there is a "sporty" mild hybrid remains to be seen though.

However, I think that they might have missed the boat on that one and that hybrids will not last long due to pressure from governments to jump to ZEV's.

ZEV is fine for those city dwellers, less useful for anyone rural or people like myself who do regular long journeys. Sure, the new generation of dedicated fast chargers are much quicker - maybe 20 minutes for a charge, but a 20 minute refuel after 50 miles is going to make those 200 mile journeys rather longer...

Battery technology in weight/size, capacity and charging need to take a huge leap still and there will need to be a trick to make the motor whir exciting as think petrol engine fakery on a strictly electric will sound ridiculous. - Have heard some good aggressive 'whir' on some sport concepts, its the battery tech that's holding it back.

But recently bought some Beats X and given the truly rubbish and baulky headphones had in past, these are a revelation, true 8 hours playing time and more importantly a 5 minute quick 2 hr capacity charge .. so rarely caught out and when am, its a quick cuppa and up to 30%

Basically battery tech needs to get to point, you pull in a garage, plug in and in 5 mins you have a 'tank' of capacity and given you just need a parking bay with plug unit at end, most garages could have 30 + bays in same footprint as the 12 or so they have now - I personally could not charge at home, and neither could any in my street and many streets in this country, not everyone has a drive up to their house, many park on road or in bays, .

The next leap from that, is batteries are so efficient, that your roof is super efficient solar panel that is constantly charging the batteries - Will put Man City out of business of course  ;)

Its the future, its coming, and personally ok with the hybrids as can see the performance not just retained but lifted as the i8 proves, and be ok with all electric when battery tech catches up, though that's at least a decade out for any comparison to current cars.

Till then enjoy your current cars, as becoming last of the breed, going to keep my R, a classic head turner among all those whirring electrics 15 years from now
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #12 on: 06 July 2017, 13:48 »
The only other current problem is that the electricity grid in the UK is nowhere near ready for that level of electric car take up.
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #13 on: 06 July 2017, 13:59 »
The only other current problem is that the electricity grid in the UK is nowhere near ready for that level of electric car take up.

Now now, let's not have any negativity around our glowing pollutant-free future. That's an easy problem to solve. We could have local diesel generators.....
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #14 on: 06 July 2017, 14:28 »
The only other current problem is that the electricity grid in the UK is nowhere near ready for that level of electric car take up.

Now now, let's not have any negativity around our glowing pollutant-free future. That's an easy problem to solve. We could have local diesel generators.....

You could go one better, you could make a GTE-D - diesel electric like a train. Diesel generator makes electricity as needed to power electric motors. I'm calling this hardcore-hybrid.
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #15 on: 06 July 2017, 14:30 »
Either that or two other electric possibilities:

1) A slot in the road like Scalextrix

2) Wire mesh grid over the road like bumper cars.

As an engineer, my skills in innovating around a problem are endless :D
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #16 on: 06 July 2017, 16:09 »
A mate of mine bought a 2015 Gte he's happy with it good around mixed consumption but as he says the only downside is the distance on battery only 28 to 30 mile and that's with nothing turned on being summer no lights heaters etc bit other than that it's suits him  :whistle:
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #17 on: 06 July 2017, 16:22 »
Current hybrid tech is basically just a way of frigging emissions testing regimes to get a lower CO2 figure.

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Re: Guilt
« Reply #18 on: 06 July 2017, 16:55 »
Oh and hot off the press:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/06/france-ban-petrol-diesel-cars-2040-emmanuel-macron-volvo

No sales of dinosaur burners in France from 2040...

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Norway, which has the highest penetration of electric cars in the world, has set a target of only allowing sales of 100% electric or plug-in hybrid cars by 2025.

Other countries have floated the idea of banning cars powered by an internal combustion engine to meet air quality and climate change goals, but have not yet passed concrete targets.

The Netherlands has mooted a 2025 ban for diesel and petrol cars, and some federal states in Germany are keen on a 2030 phase-out.

India, where scores of cities are blighted by dangerous air pollution, is mulling the idea of no longer selling petrol or diesel cars by 2030, and said it wants to introduce electric cars in “a very big way”.

I hope someone has a plan to find a crap load of extra electricity before then!

Maybe fusion will have worked by then...
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #19 on: 06 July 2017, 19:42 »
I don't think we should be concerned, Tesla have been making cars which achieve mileage of a M3 for a year or so.  Even the model X (SUV 7 Seater) has 350 mile range, the model S is also at the 300 mile range.  In such a small country we will be fine once the petrol companies realise that to stay in business they need to offer charging points, but at the present time 170miles range with 30mins charge isn't bad from a Tesla charge point.

Once the frankly laughable German car industry gets to grips with reality and moves on from poor infotainment screens of 5 generations ago mobiles and faking diesel results we might get somewhere, If they don't I hope they are left behind and people vote with there feet.

For me this car maker with hopefully shake the rest into doing something.
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