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Offline Arnold_Lane

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GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« on: 12 May 2017, 10:40 »
I'm just about to confirm my order for a GTI Performance and thought that I would go for a manual as most of my mileage is on out of town roads and motorways, etc., with only a small amount stuck in traffic queues and no set daily commute. However, I'm now having second thoughts and think the 7 speed DSG would be a nice addition.

The extra cost isn't an issue and we have an A6 diesel with DSG (ironically it has the same 245hp as the Golf Performance) so I know and (mostly) like the driving experience of the auto box.

So what are peoples thoughts on manual vs DSG in a GTi?? And what impact on delivery would the switch make?
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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #1 on: 12 May 2017, 10:57 »
DSG is pretty neat if you can afford it - but you know this already from your Audi.

In fact, you pretty much know everything there is to know other than I did read that at the moment DSG orders were taking longer than manuals presumably due to supply issues on the new DSG7 box.

I had a manual box on my former GTD, have ordered another manual one simply because I'm a tight arse. If money was no object, I'd go DSG simply because of the integration with ACC.
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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #2 on: 12 May 2017, 11:22 »
DSG purely for the extra gear and it will be faster at accelerating.

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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #3 on: 12 May 2017, 11:48 »
DSG. It makes the car imo.
With manual you lose out on valuable and really useful tech. DSG Integrates brilliantly with ACC and the auto hold too, so even on motorways the DSG trumps. The 7th gear now should also make it a more relaxed and more economical cruiser.
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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #4 on: 12 May 2017, 12:02 »
I know the previous 7spd DSG was a dry clutch and in lower powered cars.  I recently read it was to be avoided because of reliability issues and that it is being replaced with a wet clutch variant.  Is this what's being fitted to 7.5 PP?
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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #5 on: 12 May 2017, 12:20 »
I know the previous 7spd DSG was a dry clutch and in lower powered cars.  I recently read it was to be avoided because of reliability issues and that it is being replaced with a wet clutch variant.  Is this what's being fitted to 7.5 PP?

Nah, the old 7 speed box for low powered cars is a totally different design - and crap too.

New one is very good, of course reliabilty is something we will learn about in ~3 years time.
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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #6 on: 12 May 2017, 12:23 »
I'd say go with manual. My last car was an auto and loved it but it was nice to drive my OH's manual - you've got the Audi for the relaxed cruising - get something different and enjoy :smiley: Unless of course the dsg does it for you but I think in having two cars it's nice to have contrasts.
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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #7 on: 12 May 2017, 14:41 »
I'm just about to confirm my order for a GTI Performance and thought that I would go for a manual as most of my mileage is on out of town roads and motorways, etc., with only a small amount stuck in traffic queues and no set daily commute. However, I'm now having second thoughts and think the 7 speed DSG would be a nice addition.

The extra cost isn't an issue and we have an A6 diesel with DSG (ironically it has the same 245hp as the Golf Performance) so I know and (mostly) like the driving experience of the auto box.

So what are peoples thoughts on manual vs DSG in a GTi?? And what impact on delivery would the switch make?

How does having an A6 with S-tronic help with the extra cost of the DSG?

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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #8 on: 12 May 2017, 15:23 »
Nah, the old 7 speed box for low powered cars is a totally different design - and crap too.

New one is very good, of course reliabilty is something we will learn about in ~3 years time.

Crap? :huh:  Didn't have any issues with the 7-speed dry in my last car for the 60.000 km / 5 years that I drove in it. Changes were pretty fast two although maybe slightly jerkier than the 6-speed wet on the MK7 but that made for a more "mechanical" feeling. Oh and it was running 35Nm (10Nm or 40% over the quoted max acceptable torque figure) for 2,5 years again without any issues.

On the topic, it's hard to beat DSG in driving comfort, I want to be shot every time I have to drive a manual in city traffic, plus I've found that by using paddles and having both hands on the wheel I could focus more on my lines on the track, unless for the very tight corners that required a gear change with the wheel at an odd angle, in which case it was no worse than the manual, just reach out for the level and push up as you would do in a manual. Still feel the same with the DSG in the Clubsport, give me a good sequential like DSG and I don't think I'll ever go back to a manual.
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Re: GTi Performance - Manual or DSG
« Reply #9 on: 12 May 2017, 15:37 »
If you go DSG invest in some S2T or Racingline paddles as the stock ones are just plain undersized

I've tended to go DSG as about 70% of the time I am stuck in traffic and DSG works so well with the adaptive cruise

It is engaging but just in a different way