Missing Fog lights

[fredgroves]

Front fogs are an essential piece of safety equipment for me.

I guess its something you can live without if you just sit and polish your car on the drive though.

[Guzzle]

Hmmm....

I can see both sides. I hardly ever use mine, probably a couple of times a year, if that.

However, to me, the front end looks better with fogs fitted.

[phope]

Never missed fogs on my TTRS or Audi A6, and that's living near the North Sea coast

With the effectiveness of modern xenons or LED headlamps, I just question the perceived need for front fogs any more, especially when I see people using them incorrectly most of the time anyway

[Talk-torque]

The LED fogs on my GTD and now my GTI are the first I've had, on any car, that I thought were anything like useful. They give a flat spread of decent light just in front of the car that I find useful as fill in lights as well as fogs. Having said that, I think £500 is about the right sort of figure to persuade most people to accept a car without them.

[eatontrifles]

I told the missus about the fog light issue this evening - she's someone who doesn't know a lot about cars, but does drive.
She said three things;
1. That's ridiculous, I hope someone gets sacked (bit harsh, but understandable)
2. You can't have a car without fog lights, it's a safety issue (we disagreed on that)
3. When you come to sell it, people will notice and the value will be affected (this is key, especially from someone who isn't into cars)

I'm almost certainly going to be re-ordering.

[Mcaff]

I feel sorry for the people that are buying the cars, I can see why you would be annoyed. However for the likes of me that have leased their golf, I don't see any reason you can really be up in arms about it.. unless I'm missing something?

[I wanted a GTi]

Personally, I'd question how often do people actually use fog lights - I can count on one hand the number of times I've used mine in the last couple of years

I'd take the £500 or whatever payment was being offered to reflect the lower spec, and spend it on something worthwhile

What if you ordered a Mk7 GTD/GTi/R and it came with standard rear lights and not LED rear lights would you be okay with it?

[hog_hedge]

Personally, I'd question how often do people actually use fog lights - I can count on one hand the number of times I've used mine in the last couple of years

I'd take the £500 or whatever payment was being offered to reflect the lower spec, and spend it on something worthwhile

What if you ordered a Mk7 GTD/GTi/R and it came with standard rear lights and not LED rear lights would you be okay with it?

I wouldn't be OK with that but IMO that's not really the same. I was happy to have no fogs even before the £245 reimbursement because I never use them (even in fog) and I couldn't wait for another few months for a new car to come.

I completely understand why people aren't happy with the situation because we are paying for something that we aren't receiving. Even if I could have waited for a new build I'm not sure that I would have done, each to their own I suppose. I don't think it will affect the price when I sell it though because I will part ex/webuyanycar it and I would eat my hat if they picked up on missing fog lights and marked me down on it. Stranger things have happened though! I'll take the risk though

[Briggsy]

We're a minority of car drivers, I suspect in the future with trade in worries other dealers or private buyers won't notice.

[Mustabuster]

A private buyer may not notice but I suspect most trade dealers would be aware of the issue and you may find it harder to sell on. Also you may get back £500 or so now in compensation but you can expect to lose some of that when you move it on in a few years in terms of reduced trade-in.

IMO if it's part of the standard spec it should be on the car.