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Offline grose

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125d vs GTI PP
« on: 10 January 2017, 15:15 »
Hi All,

Wanted to say hi as I have just become the owner of a GTI PP after the last 3 years in a BMW 125d. Having had enough of the diesel drone that I have lived with in my last few cars, I just had to get back into a petrol car for the refinement, noise and general driving pleasure. Whilst I have always enjoyed the diesel torque, I just hated the rattle, noise and general clatter from the derv engines. I do about 15k a year, so the GTI is not the most economical choice, but the benefits far outweigh the extra fuel costs!

I was an owner of one of the very first Mk5 GTI's in early 2005 and have regretted selling that car ever since I moved it on, hence why I decided to come back to the Golf GTI stable. I have to say, I am really enjoying the experience so far and had some observations to make vs the BMW.

Interior: The GTI is a much more interesting place to be and whilst I think the interior quality of the BMW was superior(free of any rattles/squeaks etc) there is a not a massive amount in it. The BMW I had was well specced, but the Golf trumps it in terms of overall equipment. What I would say is that I like Android Auto, but I do miss the ease of use of iDrive.

Dynaudio: Must say, I am a little disappointed. I had the HK setup in the BMW which was just superb. I had high expectations for the Dynaudio system, but I just can't get the same dynamics as I had before. Is this because of sub in the boot vs under the seats? It almost seems that it needs to adjusted with each and every song played, sometimes too shrilly, sometime too bassy. If anyone has any good suggestions for sorting this, they would be well received!

Performance: On paper, both cars have similar performance, and in real use, that is definitely the case. I have already found myself changing out the tyres (came with Bridgestones) as I think they are awful, but this has helped enormously to get the power down. What I have found is that the GTI feels alive when pushed, the BMW just felt rather sanitised and maybe a little too grown up. Again, the BMW was a great all round car, but it never once made me want to 'just go out for a drive', which the golf does quite regularly.

Dealers: So far, not so good! I have nothing but good experiences with BMW dealers, however, my VW experience so far has been patchy at best! I am hoping this will improve, but I find the difference is the VW dealer seems to need prodding a little more to get things done whereas the BMW dealers were incredibly efficient and nothing was ever too much trouble. It's early days though, so lets see if this will sort itself out.


Overall, really happy with the car, and the long and short of it is: I think the VW has several negative points, however, unlike the BMW, I am more than happy to forgive these, as for me, the car is full of character and I am beginning to love driving again!

One question, I would really like some more exhaust noise. Has anyone looked at swapping out the standard back box with the Clubsport (s) version? Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks all and I hope to contribute on the forum in the future.

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mattwilko92

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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #1 on: 10 January 2017, 16:24 »
Good write up. I previously had a 118d E87 before switching to an Audi A1 and like yourself had enough of the that diesel drone.

What tyres have you switched to? I personally don't mind the bridgestones, i keep hearing great things about the Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but until the bridge stones are toast i won't be changing.

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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #2 on: 10 January 2017, 16:26 »
Interesting.

I have been looking at a 125D instead of my current GTD.

Was yours a manual BMW and a manual GTI?

I found the BMW very bland compared to my GTD,  but I have manual now and the BMW was an auto.
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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #3 on: 10 January 2017, 16:36 »
I went for a set of Goodyear Asym 3's. I have been really impressed with them so far. Defintely a bit softer than the Bridgestones which is a very good thing in my opinion! I have not experienced the tramping I did with the Bridgestones and cats eyes no longer feel like boulders so all in all, very good so far!
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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #4 on: 10 January 2017, 16:41 »
Both are/were autos.
I think the DSG is good, but the ZF8 gearbox in the BMW is superb, I miss the flexibility of the 8 gears and I think the GTI, given the torquey nature of the engine would suit that gearbox well.

As for the manual, can't comment I'm afraid, I commute in traffic every day and am too lazy to keep working out my left leg!
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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #5 on: 10 January 2017, 16:43 »
Ahhh thanks.

At least you won't be fearing this week's snow in your GTI :D
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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #6 on: 10 January 2017, 16:50 »
Very true, although I have been thinking this week I maybe should have changed to some winter tyres.

Let's hope there's not too much of the white stuff!
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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #7 on: 10 January 2017, 19:46 »
As already said great read up any good points made my new 2016 gti non PP came with P zeros so I was very happy handles well feels planted even in the wet way more so than my previous A3 tdi sport which had dunlop sport max on the zero's out do them all round.
Again the A3 was a diesel and ro be honest the engine noise was guiet in the cab we still have a diesel the wife's scirocco and that too is quiet inside so have rhe best of both albeit I opt for the Gti lol  :whistle:
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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #8 on: 10 January 2017, 21:14 »
interesting review thanks for posting, always wondered what the 125d was like as its pretty quick on paper

I am looking forward to comparing the CS to the 330d although to be fair they will be doing very different jobs and mileages !  I have to say having the 6cyl diesel takes away a lot of the downside of a diesel car, it really does sound good for an oil burner and if there is a better engine gearbox combination anywhere than the 3.0 diesel and ZF 8 speed I don't know it.  I hated the Auto in an M135 test drive but its a match made in heaven with the big diesel engine.

That said I cant wait to get my hands on a light and pointy manual hot hatch.. it will be such a different driving experience I am really looking forward to getting the GTi CS.

 As for tyres.. yep winters are the way forward on a BMW.  I would hand on heart take my BMW with winters over an Audi Quattro on normal tyres.  I know this because last night driving home in heavy rain and standing water on the A11, they are just superb and not just for snow, they inspire masses of confidence and no aquaplaning etc.

The Golf wont be going out in the rain though  :wink:
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Re: 125d vs GTI PP
« Reply #9 on: 10 January 2017, 22:18 »
Could not agree more about the bmw 3 litre diesel and zf8. To be honest if they made a 130d I would be sorely tempted into a diesel again. I had a 530d before the 1 Series and it was a sweet combination.

As that is never likely to happen, I will be enjoying the pleasure of a petrol GTI for a little while yet!

I very nearly went for the pirelli  option but got a really good deal on the Goodyear.  To be honest, I think any tyre would offer an improved experience over the bridge stones!
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