Diesels

[GTI_Ant]

We have diesel cars because the government told us we should buy them to help the environment. They also gave us tax breaks both on road tax and on company car tax to drive them.

Not the first time they have done a u turn on this sort of thing. I guess the next thing they'll be telling us is that hybrid cars emit a lot more co2 than they claim in the test and that they don't do 100mpg and we will have another scandal.

Ultimately until they can independently test these cars properly then any clean air laws they dream up are a waste of time.

I don't mind breathing in CO2.  I do it on a daily basis.  I do mind breathing NOx and atmospheric carcinogens that stick to the soot.  The tax situation was and sadly still is focussed solely on reducing CO2 and meeting targets and whilst these are important, surely also is human health.

[dubber36]

I guess the next thing they'll be telling us is that hybrid cars emit a lot more co2 than they claim in the test and that they don't do 100mpg

I would imagine that most people know that is the case already.

[monkeyhanger]

On a soot perspective, modern directly injected petrols are dirtier than DPF equipped diesels, and the soot is finer so stays in the air longer and gets deeper into the lungs if inhaled. My GTD's tail pipes were immaculately clean, my R's are black with soot. It may not be long until we see DPFs on petrol cars too. NOx is a big problem in cities where it gets to accumulate, but yhat can be solved with adblue.

All cars are dirty - the batteries of electric cars are manufactured via very unenvironmental processes and most of the electricity is generated with fossil fuelled power stations. If they got pre-DPF doesels off the road with a scrappage scheme, that would be a big help.

[Mike J]

[quote I have diesel cars as I live in redneck countryside where everyone has always had diesels. Petrol is for strimmers and chainsaws.
There is a ready supply of cherry, so they are far better than 10mpg in money terms to run. We avoid towns, so there are no stop start journeys and the DPFs get a good workout.
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Mmmmm, was that just a 'look at me' comment or just something you slipped in by mistake?
Having lived and worked in the countryside most of my life I know exactly what your referring to, and so no doubt will HMRC.
Your use of "We" infers more than just you are involved.

Consider my experience.
An employee of mine was stopped at an HMRC dip check and found to have been topping up his landy from the farm tank, it cost him his job and a heavy fine, I only escaped the courts because he had cut his own duplicate key and so was stealing.


Perhaps an edit might be a good move?

[dubber36]

No need to edit anything. You picked up on the word "We". In my comment, that is used in the sentence about not going to town.

You make a couple of references to HMRC. You'll be suggesting that all self employed people declare every penny of their income next.

[lemski]

No need to edit anything. You picked up on the word "We". In my comment, that is used in the sentence about not going to town.

You make a couple of references to HMRC. You'll be suggesting that all self employed people declare every penny of their income next.

I always declair all my pennys... Makes me feel im paying my way haha.
On this diesel thing... Some people dpf delete there cars so the nox is unchanged. How can they combat against that. The mot test for diesel emissions will have to change to abit more than what it is now.

[Gnasher]

No need to edit anything. You picked up on the word "We". In my comment, that is used in the sentence about not going to town.

You make a couple of references to HMRC. You'll be suggesting that all self employed people declare every penny of their income next.

I always declair all my pennys... Makes me feel im paying my way haha.
On this diesel thing... Some people dpf delete there cars so the nox is unchanged. How can they combat against that. The mot test for diesel emissions will have to change to abit more than what it is now.

Not sure on the details but apparently the MOT test is changing for DPF equipped cars.

[mcmaddy]

It's been mentioned before that it a car is supposed to have a dpf and it is then deleted then it will fail it's mot and quite right too.

Petrols will also be getting dpfs in the near future and this was mentioned by Audi in June/July this year.

[GolfTi]

Never really understood the diesel car thing, down to government tax breaks on company cars I suppose.
Taxis, trucks, tanks and tractors are a different case though.

Red diesel and tax breaks do not help the diseasal situation.

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

same here, and I have had 3

3 cylinder TDI, 2.0 TDI, 123D twin turbo.  All ok but like all diesel engines not really memorable, work colleague has a 435 which does 0-60 in silly 5sec and its still a dull forgettable engine, covers ground quickly but it just doesn't excite for the speed compared to an M4 for example. The cleaner modern diesels collect particles i guess, but dump them periodically into the atmosphere by regen, could we call it a cheat device? 

The data Published by the Department for Energy with kings college and Leeds uni, also with World Health Org and pretty much all other credible health authority seem to suggest diesels are in the firing line. Even India have banned some diesels from Cities and raise diesel car tax, But I guess they could all be wrong...