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Jackie Treehorn

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« on: 14 December 2016, 13:24 »
VW Settlement gets interesting.

http://bgr.com/2016/12/13/vw-settlement-cars-update/

http://jalopnik.com/disgruntled-diesel-vw-owners-are-stripping-their-cars-b-1790053005


Lets hope this is the last throws of the VW diesels and diesels in general, good car the GTD and I like them a lot, but lets move on from diesel engine passenger cars  :wink:

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Re: Diesels
« Reply #1 on: 14 December 2016, 14:47 »
Haha, cheeky. Or incredibly foolish  :laugh:
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Re: Diesels
« Reply #2 on: 14 December 2016, 15:39 »

Lets hope this is the last throws of the VW diesels and diesels in general, good car the GTD and I like them a lot, but lets move on from diesel engine passenger cars  :wink:

Dear oh dear!

As an owner of a gas guzzling R and also a Diesel car, aside from the godawful noise Diesels make at tickover I can't see why people hate modern Diesels.

The alternatives seem to be small capacity petrol engines that need to be absolutely thrashed to get them to provide decent performance due to them having to be leaned off in the mid-range to meet emissions targets.
Fine if you live three miles from a race circuit.
So if you've got to do silly revs to keep up with traffic flow in a modern petrol engine then it's not exactly going to be economical or stop babies from developing lung diseases.

Diesels however provide a nice kick up the arse at low revs to keep up with traffic flow and generally can be driven at low revs most of the time whilst still providing decent performance. Unless doing a standing start from zero to silly speeds I find GTD's are a match for my R in most situations in real world driving and are probably doing 15-20mpg better which means less time freezing to death and staring into space on a cold garage forecourt.
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Re: Diesels
« Reply #3 on: 14 December 2016, 16:50 »
"So if you've got to do silly revs to keep up with traffic flow in a modern petrol engine" 
I understand you point but this is possibly over stating the petrol problem, and revs are part of the character of a petrol car in some ways due to power band.

Diesels are impressive for all the reasons you mention, but really not that necessary in general road cars. Commercial vehicles no problem (except buses).  However the savings appear to be diminishing with ever greater headline torque and BHP chasing figures from manufacturers, so we end up with cars trying to perform like petrol but without the great level of benefits (only 10mpg more approx).  This coupled with many owners cars in active regen in towns and cities as the car is not really doing what it should (hot long runs) and you start to think, Why do we have these cars?

Both Renault and VW seem to be doing the same and 5 cities in Europe also are heading to the "Why" question?



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Re: Diesels
« Reply #4 on: 14 December 2016, 17:18 »
Why do we have these cars?


I have diesel cars as I live in redneck countryside where everyone has always had diesels. Petrol is for strimmers and chainsaws. There is a ready supply of cherry, so they are far better than 10mpg in money terms to run. We avoid towns, so there are no stop start journeys and the DPFs get a good workout.
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Re: Diesels
« Reply #5 on: 14 December 2016, 18:03 »
I've got a 1.6 diesel touran for the family runabout and it's going to need new injectors and an ECU when it eventually gets recalled, had plenty of letters about over the past 18 months but still haven't been told a date.

I'd be absolutely delighted if I was able to choose a cash alternative like owners in the USA, jammy gits!

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« Reply #6 on: 14 December 2016, 21:39 »
depends on how much they were offering i guess  :sad:

But it seems diesels are on the thinnest of thin ice with the rhetoric from governments and manufacturers willingness for further diesel investment reducing, this slow trickle down of negative info to the general public will have an impact in a few years and not in a good way for owners, but we have probably got 5-10 years before that happens. Apart from the US which VW have properly f'd up and removed any chance of a diesel boom.  But even since 2011 diesel sales in Europe have been falling and 2016 they dropped below 50% for the first time in a decade.
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Re: Diesels
« Reply #7 on: 14 December 2016, 22:16 »
What is impacting on diesels now is NOx emission, largely ignored by Europe until dieselgate in the USA highlighted the problem as being more immediate than CO2, which had been the controlling parameter over here. Fact is, NOx doesn't just make the earth a bit warmer, in the wrong circumstances it kills people. It is also harder to reduce NOx emission. This has led to 4 capital cities, across the world, deciding to ban diesel cars by 2025, with London possibly making this 5. I enjoyed my 2 performance diesel Golfs, but it looks like times up for the dark side!

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-12-09/smog-hit-paris-pledges-to-be-diesel-free-within-a-decade/
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Re: Diesels
« Reply #8 on: 14 December 2016, 22:29 »
Try cycling behind one going up a hill  :sick: Black lungs. Days are numbered.
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« Reply #9 on: 14 December 2016, 23:08 »
We have diesel cars because the government told us we should buy them to help the environment. They also gave us tax breaks both on road tax and on company car tax to drive them.

Not the first time they have done a u turn on this sort of thing. I guess the next thing they'll be telling us is that hybrid cars emit a lot more co2 than they claim in the test and that they don't do 100mpg and we will have another scandal.

Ultimately until they can independently test these cars properly then any clean air laws they dream up are a waste of time.
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