Clubsport S - Pictures - Inside & Out

[vipergts]

sadly it's missing the cage

A cage would make the rear seat delete make more sense

Yes and no, really it would just be dead weight, they wouldn't be fitting a proper cage in it even if there was one.

Well the Nurburgring car had a cage, albeit a bolt in jobbie.

They certainly complete the whole Serious track car appeal for me and as Paul (Clubsport) says, it's somewhere to hang your harness which is something else that's missing

I'm ordering a cage and harnesses as I'm going to be on track

[jv]

How does removing the rear seats for weight, but leaving the front heated seats in make sense?

I'd have thought it would be all or nothing, heated + rear bench or normal seats and no bench.

Weight of rear seats versus a bit of wiring and a small heating pad - easy win.

There are some funny decisions. I like the rear grab handles being left in. Think my favourite has to be what look like rear mats. For those rear passengers.

It's easy to mock but cars like this breaking out of sombre VW is superb and I hope for many more extreme editions

[GT4]

My thoughts regarding the cage ... Adds more weight yet greater rigidity ..?! Adding more weight would have therefore meant the intervention of CCBrakes to mitigate weight gain, therefore adding huge cost to retail price point?! This is a Golf GT3 not a Porsche GT3 at over £130k - everything has to be done with overall pricing taken into consideration and at £34k that is approx 25% of the cost of a GT3 ... Secondly, does the car need a cage "No" the idea of the CS-S and the Golf GTi culture is useable daily performance and adding that level of rigidity would then need revised suspension, tyres and the whole beauty and design brief of the CS-S is the soft damping for Nurburg and English B road Tarmac, too much rigidity wold see the car bounce round corners, add to that FWD and you have a nightmare car on the edge round a bumpy corner, exactly what we have here in the UK .... VW have thought long and hard about this car and what values it needs to have and what goals and expectations it needs to cater for, all with a limited 400 build and a £34k price tag .... "Brilliant" 

[fredgroves]

Is that a bracing strut across the top of the rear shocks? Or just a bar to replace the back seat in case you balance some mates in there on the way back from the pub?

[The ANT]

If they fitted a cage it would only have been for the rear, for show, they add weight, retaining the cars interior would mean a cage capable of make a difference to the rigidity is not possible, the cage would simply be an ornament. Which defise the point. Rear cages are not all that effective on their own.

[vipergts]

Well I hear all you say but the record winning car had a cage fitted and didn't have upgraded brakes.

I'm only talking about a rear cage here with cross bracing and this would help in the event of a roll.

Most people that buy these would want to track it whereupon you would sensibly need a harness. You need to strap it to a bar and the rear strut brace fitted to the CS-S is next to useless, a bar to hang the net.

Porsche are good at what they do, My 997 GT3 RS had a rear cage fitted as standard as did the 996RS before it. I'd call that sensible especially after seeing a 7RS roll at brands on a track day.

[Jackie Treehorn]

My thoughts regarding the cage ... Adds more weight yet greater rigidity ..?! Adding more weight would have therefore meant the intervention of CCBrakes to mitigate weight gain, therefore adding huge cost to retail price point?! This is a Golf GT3 not a Porsche GT3 at over £130k - everything has to be done with overall pricing taken into consideration and at £34k that is approx 25% of the cost of a GT3 ... Secondly, does the car need a cage "No" the idea of the CS-S and the Golf GTi culture is useable daily performance and adding that level of rigidity would then need revised suspension, tyres and the whole beauty and design brief of the CS-S is the soft damping for Nurburg and English B road Tarmac, too much rigidity wold see the car bounce round corners, add to that FWD and you have a nightmare car on the edge round a bumpy corner, exactly what we have here in the UK .... VW have thought long and hard about this car and what values it needs to have and what goals and expectations it needs to cater for, all with a limited 400 build and a £34k price tag .... "Brilliant" 

The car is great first and foremost but I would disagree a little

Adding a 12kg rear cage wouldn't mean CCB were required,  Why would you think that?  the heavier R (100kg) doens't need CCB's so why would a 12kg cage require the car to need them? The cage would add atmosphere or theatre to the car which as limited Edition is pretty mandatory. We know rear cages aren't required or needed but the Trophy R or R26R looks all the better for them imo. A cage won't make it too rigid either, unless you weld it in at multiple points and then it wouldn't be a half cage (which is all that is required).  Adding to the already rigid shell (compared to other hatches) wouldn't require revisions to tyres or suspension.

The CS practicality and "usable golf" is gone or reduced the moment you take a golf and remove the rear seats, so why not go all the way and cage it?  It did the lap time with the cage, so why not?   Its not like people are sitting in the back area?  The bar fitted with the net is too high up to tie the rear mounts together so it serves little structural purpose i guess.

I think they could have made a couple of small changes: For 2k like Brembo's, the Ring time half cage in red perhaps? This would add to the look, which after all is what this limited run hot hatch is all about imo and also allow users to fit harnesses.

But like always the bean counters get involved...

[phazer]

  The bar fitted with the net is too high up to tie the rear mounts together so it serves little structural purpose i guess.

Unless that bar is part of a rigid structure such as a proper cage then fitting harnesses to it would be a dangerous thing to do. In an accident the weight of the driver(and passenger) act to pull on the bar bending it forward which negates any restraint.

You used to see it all the time at car shows, a poxy bar mounted to the rear shock tops and the harnesses fitted to it 

[Jackie Treehorn]

^^agreed, seem it a few times myself

This would be simple to do from the factory,

DSC_6312 by Emmber, on Flickr

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DSC_6263 by Emmber, on Flickr

[vipergts]

My thoughts regarding the cage ... Adds more weight yet greater rigidity ..?! Adding more weight would have therefore meant the intervention of CCBrakes to mitigate weight gain, therefore adding huge cost to retail price point?! This is a Golf GT3 not a Porsche GT3 at over £130k - everything has to be done with overall pricing taken into consideration and at £34k that is approx 25% of the cost of a GT3 ... Secondly, does the car need a cage "No" the idea of the CS-S and the Golf GTi culture is useable daily performance and adding that level of rigidity would then need revised suspension, tyres and the whole beauty and design brief of the CS-S is the soft damping for Nurburg and English B road Tarmac, too much rigidity wold see the car bounce round corners, add to that FWD and you have a nightmare car on the edge round a bumpy corner, exactly what we have here in the UK .... VW have thought long and hard about this car and what values it needs to have and what goals and expectations it needs to cater for, all with a limited 400 build and a £34k price tag .... "Brilliant" 

The car is great first and foremost but I would disagree a little

Adding a 12kg rear cage wouldn't mean CCB were required,  Why would you think that?  the heavier R (100kg) doens't need CCB's so why would a 12kg cage require the car to need them? The cage would add atmosphere or theatre to the car which as limited Edition is pretty mandatory. We know rear cages aren't required or needed but the Trophy R or R26R looks all the better for them imo. A cage won't make it too rigid either, unless you weld it in at multiple points and then it wouldn't be a half cage (which is all that is required).  Adding to the already rigid shell (compared to other hatches) wouldn't require revisions to tyres or suspension.

The CS practicality and "usable golf" is gone or reduced the moment you take a golf and remove the rear seats, so why not go all the way and cage it?  It did the lap time with the cage, so why not?   Its not like people are sitting in the back area?  The bar fitted with the net is too high up to tie the rear mounts together so it serves little structural purpose i guess.

I think they could have made a couple of small changes: For 2k like Brembo's, the Ring time half cage in red perhaps? This would add to the look, which after all is what this limited run hot hatch is all about imo and also allow users to fit harnesses.

But like always the bean counters get involved...

Spot on. This is what I was trying to say but I'm not as articulate, so thanks.

NOW......The question, I was planning on ordering a Gloss black cage but I was tempted by red. My car is white.

My R26R had a red cage but the car was black.

Thoughts please. Schroth harnesses with be red BTW