Author Topic: Clubsport S Tyres  (Read 3072 times)

Offline jjgreenwood

  • GTI forum regular
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Clubsport S Tyres
« on: 25 September 2016, 19:05 »
Well not long now until we see the first of these. Given that they are arriving just in time for the fancy tyres they come with to probably become rock solid in the colder weather is anyone considering putting a set of all weather or winter tyres on for a few months. I'm tempted to put some Michelin crossclimate or alpin tyres on for the normal b road commuting I'm going to be doing in the car over the winter months. Here in the cotswolds its pretty mild but obviously very wet in the winter so perhaps the crossclimate might be best until march.
Sales Manager - Inchcape Volkswagen Swindon

VW Golf GTI Clubsport S - GO15 CSS

Offline scanesare

  • I live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 693
  • GTI Clubsport
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #1 on: 25 September 2016, 19:15 »
Imagine that the much "daily-er" Pilot Super Sport got a terrible score in the wet in recent EVO's performance tyre test, so I can only imagine the PSC2 being even worse under wet and cold weather. Will be fitting Alpine A4 to mine.

Offline GT4

  • GTI forum regular
  • ***
  • Posts: 199
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #2 on: 25 September 2016, 21:53 »
I am not sure ...I may garage it until April but if not will see what you guys favour and go from there ...  :rolleyes:

Offline monkeyhanger

  • Serious forum addict
  • *
  • Posts: 6,663
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #3 on: 25 September 2016, 22:15 »
Imagine that the much "daily-er" Pilot Super Sport got a terrible score in the wet in recent EVO's performance tyre test, so I can only imagine the PSC2 being even worse under wet and cold weather. Will be fitting Alpine A4 to mine.

Michelin PSS scored 96.6 out of 100 for wet performance on a track in that Evo test - hardly a "terrible" score. That score was gained on a Focus ST and not a performance Golf, being flung around the track. Off the track performance, you'll have to go with views of users, and after swapping my dire factory fit Bridgestone RE050A for PSS, my R was transformed, performing very well last Winter after that January change.

Even in the wettest of conditions, they haven't skipped a beat - even driving the car hard to 70mph from a standstill up a long and steep sliproad from Scotswood Road in Newcastle up to the A1 Northbound. Pretty much all of the tyres in that test would do you fine driving as hard as you can lawfully on the road.

I'd have no qualms in recommending them on a Golf that is used on the road. With the last few winters being very mild, even up in the North East, I haven't felt the need to invest in Winter tyres for the 3 days it dipped below zero on my 7am commute last Winter - PSS were good enough for me. Semi-slick tyres might be another matter though!
Whey ya bugger! It's finally arrived after an 8 month wait....
MK7 R 5 door, manual, Lapiz Blue, Prets.

Offline The ANT

  • Here all the time
  • ****
  • Posts: 275
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #4 on: 26 September 2016, 09:33 »
Just imagine what its like on the monte, it's not much of a commuter car is it, so anyone with sense wouldn't be taking it far in the snow and ice, its not an evo, impreza, or a gt four so i wouldn't be going too hard on it unless the roads were dry.
Suffering from a severe and unforgiving case of GTItis


Offline scanesare

  • I live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 693
  • GTI Clubsport
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #5 on: 26 September 2016, 09:41 »
Imagine that the much "daily-er" Pilot Super Sport got a terrible score in the wet in recent EVO's performance tyre test, so I can only imagine the PSC2 being even worse under wet and cold weather. Will be fitting Alpine A4 to mine.

Michelin PSS scored 96.6 out of 100 for wet performance on a track in that Evo test - hardly a "terrible" score. That score was gained on a Focus ST and not a performance Golf, being flung around the track. Off the track performance, you'll have to go with views of users, and after swapping my dire factory fit Bridgestone RE050A for PSS, my R was transformed, performing very well last Winter after that January change.

Even in the wettest of conditions, they haven't skipped a beat - even driving the car hard to 70mph from a standstill up a long and steep sliproad from Scotswood Road in Newcastle up to the A1 Northbound. Pretty much all of the tyres in that test would do you fine driving as hard as you can lawfully on the road.

I'd have no qualms in recommending them on a Golf that is used on the road. With the last few winters being very mild, even up in the North East, I haven't felt the need to invest in Winter tyres for the 3 days it dipped below zero on my 7am commute last Winter - PSS were good enough for me. Semi-slick tyres might be another matter though!

The 96.6 of the wet lap is just a number which seems close to 100. But it does not say much really unless you put it into context, meaning the actual time scored and where exactly it was placed against its competitors. So that will be 72.11", a 2.5" slower than the 1st placed Pirelli and second worst overall (more important). Moreover in the wet, the MPSS scored:

77.8 on the wet handling feel (2nd worst)
93.3 on wet braking (3rd worst)
97.7 on the wet steerind pad (3rd worst)

Now you're free to interpret those number as you wish, but "excelling in the wet" would seem a vast over-statement in my eyes.

As for which car was used, a Focus ST is far more relevant to the FWD Clubsport's behaviour, (problematic traction under full throttle on the wet) than your AWD R that you are using as a reference. I was actually glad to see the review was based on such a car and not on a AWD and thus flattering lesser tyres.

In any case the question here is the PSC2 and for that, there are already reviews from Cupra owners that run it as part of the Sub8 pack. It's fair to say much prudence is needed in cold conditions. When I was about to order the Cupra and deciding whether to get the PSC2 or not I had read almost every review in cupra.net and decided a less hardcore tyre would be more sensible for a daily car based on what people were reporting.

Offline itavaltalainen

  • I live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,692
  • VCDS and VCP - fault codes, coding, VIM activation
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #6 on: 26 September 2016, 13:33 »
Think about the Nokian WR A4 - I put them on mine an am really happy with them.
Previously had Michelin Alpin A4 on it, Nokians beat them easily in wet winter conditions prevalent in the UK.
2019 Seat Leon ST FR DSG 135kW - eclipse orange - 23k miles

Offline scanesare

  • I live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 693
  • GTI Clubsport
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #7 on: 26 September 2016, 13:49 »
Think about the Nokian WR A4 - I put them on mine an am really happy with them.
Previously had Michelin Alpin A4 on it, Nokians beat them easily in wet winter conditions prevalent in the UK.

Thanks, will have a look, not dead set yet on the Alpines. We don't get that much rain here but winters are obligatory anyway.

Offline jjgreenwood

  • GTI forum regular
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #8 on: 26 September 2016, 20:20 »
Think about the Nokian WR A4 - I put them on mine an am really happy with them.
Previously had Michelin Alpin A4 on it, Nokians beat them easily in wet winter conditions prevalent in the UK.

I've also been looking at these and they do seem to be a good compromise in terms of price & british performance but also reasonable snow performance. One for the shortlist.
Sales Manager - Inchcape Volkswagen Swindon

VW Golf GTI Clubsport S - GO15 CSS

Offline MSR

  • Not said much yet
  • **
  • Posts: 55
Re: Clubsport S Tyres
« Reply #9 on: 26 September 2016, 21:17 »
I will be using Michelin Super Sports for road use mainly, already have another set of wheels ready.

I have used these on my M3 in very wet track days and they are amazing, great all round tyre.