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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #60 on: 27 September 2016, 13:46 »
Lads,

From the sounds of both your replies I'm surprised either of you are old enough to have driven any cars  :wink:
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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #61 on: 27 September 2016, 14:05 »

No it isn't true in gear acceleration because any acceleration starting from a standstill is heavily influenced by how well the car launches.


What about if both cars start at 1mph, and therefore a rolling start.  Is the Clubsport still quicker than an M2 or Focus RS at that point?  Tell you what, for that 1mph I'll shave 0.1 off the 0-60 time - hell, let's give you 0.2 secs for S&G's - so instead of 1.5 secs behind you can be 1.3 secs behind at 60mph - you're still quicker, right?

In all seriousness, if you had ever been engaged in any sort of motorsports activity you wouldn't be spouting all that continued non-sense (the 1mph argument is your best up to now).

So, another piece of free info for you: The benefit of AWD vs FWD fades at approximately 20-30mph (RWD even lower than that). After that you can check performances without the influence of the drive-train. Stupidly tuned FWD will still struggle but talking about OEM examples, you can safely assume you can start "testing" from that speed point on. Hardly a high speed anyway and in a real world example you'd probably be driving faster than that in the majority of roads. That's what I've been talking about from the beginning, 30-50, 30-80, 50-100mph etc. And yes, the CS/CS-S is faster at all those pulls.

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #62 on: 27 September 2016, 14:29 »
Are buyers really concerned with how fast a CS-S is?

I would have thought it was down to the improvement in the feedback from the chassis and maybe a little playfulness and adjustability on the throttle, involving you in the driving process.

Most 4wd cars I have driven on the road are mostly neutral up to and beyond the legal limit that you can only start to have fun on track in a large space. There are advantages of traction with 4wd, normally at the expense of fun in my experience.

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #63 on: 27 September 2016, 14:43 »
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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #64 on: 27 September 2016, 14:48 »
Are buyers really concerned with how fast a CS-S is?

I would have thought it was down to the improvement in the feedback from the chassis and maybe a little playfulness and adjustability on the throttle, involving you in the driving process.

Most 4wd cars I have driven on the road are mostly neutral up to and beyond the legal limit that you can only start to have fun on track in a large space. There are advantages of traction with 4wd, normally at the expense of fun in my experience.

Totally agreed. The strongest point/appeal of the car is not outright speed, 300 bhp is hardly record-breaking figures by today's standards. The chassis, turn-in, agility and feed-back are what it's about and you can appreciate all that from the very first turn you take at, what normally would be, punishing speed.

Test-drove an R twice, I didn't feel I was playing any part when driving below the limit and when I actually got there the tolerances were pretty minor. You are either going too fast and will pay for it, or fast enough for the car to turn without much effort (but slower compared to a more focused, sportier alternative). S3 was much worse.

Still it's quite impressing to see that when you floor it from 30mph+ (a speed that you'll be above 99% of the time unless hitting the drag-strip or going for midnight traffic light races  :tongue:), it will embarass cars with 50-80bhp more.

Here's EVO's acceleration data from the last issue, I've put the CS on par with the Cupra. Only half a sec between CS/Cupra and CS-S and still faster than a Focus RS (and an A45 AMG which for the nominal 381 bhp must be the slowest car in acceleration/bhp ratio)


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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #65 on: 27 September 2016, 15:04 »
I suppose what you've got to ask yourself is what you're going to be doing with your CSS. If it'll never see a track then any advantages it may have at the edge of its capabilities on a bone-dry day will never be realised. On a wet day i'd guess an R would have it.

If it's never going on the track then you're trading equipment and comfort for what? Like the Range Rover whose tyres have never touched dirt.

For those that would never see a track to get driven in anger, a nomal CS or R would make far more sense on the road.

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #66 on: 27 September 2016, 15:10 »
Lads,

From the sounds of both your replies I'm surprised either of you are old enough to have driven any cars  :wink:

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I'm not sure he's getting the point that I'm on a wind up  :laugh:
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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #67 on: 27 September 2016, 15:13 »
Lads,

From the sounds of both your replies I'm surprised either of you are old enough to have driven any cars  :wink:

 :grin:

I'm not sure he's getting the point that I'm on a wind up  :laugh:

I didn't imagine you can be that bored and have that much free time, but I'll be more careful in the future. I just noticed the 3000+ posts. I'm terrified at the thought of how those were made  :sick:

At least EVO's acceleration data might be of use to anyone interested in real-world figures.
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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #68 on: 27 September 2016, 15:17 »
Lads,

From the sounds of both your replies I'm surprised either of you are old enough to have driven any cars  :wink:

 :grin:

I'm not sure he's getting the point that I'm on a wind up  :laugh:

I didn't imagine you can be that bored and have that much free time, but I'll be more careful in the future. I just noticed the 3000+ posts. I'm afraid to find out how those were made  :sick:

At least the acceleration data might be of use to anyone interested in real-world figures.

I have plenty of time, I'm an accountant.

The data was interesting, it showed up to the legal limit on a motorway of 70mph that the Clubsport S came 3rd out of 4th.  Therefore, my point stands that there are quicker cars out there, for the same/less money.
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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #69 on: 27 September 2016, 15:37 »
I have plenty of time, I'm an accountant.

The data was interesting, it showed up to the legal limit on a motorway of 70mph that the Clubsport S came 3rd out of 4th.  Therefore, my point stands that there are quicker cars out there, for the same/less money.

 :grin: wrong again.

40 to 70:

CS: 3,4"
Cupra: 3,7"
Type-R: 3,5"
Focus RS: 3,9"

Embarrassing deduction skills, especially for accountant. Are you actually employed?