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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #50 on: 26 September 2016, 15:37 »
Thanks GTi for the Youtube clip ... I had no idea there was an all inclusive Motorsport series for the golf - does it use the same engine, chassis etc ..?

Sorry for the delayed response.

The engine is based on the EA888 block, peak output is circa 330 bhp 410 Nm torque.
I think the similarity in the chassis is that it is based on a current production shell.

VW Motorsport made 20 @ 110 000 +Vat Euros a piece.
Bargain when considering the cost of WTCC BMW engine was 75 000 euros a couple of years back.

Will be attending a few BeNeLux TCR rounds next year ad will snap some up close and personal pics.
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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #51 on: 26 September 2016, 22:48 »
Come on Guys ... Let's not argue over things with such one sided arguments ... The CS-S is currently VW's GT3 for sale at £34k and with a Limited Build ... Every Road Test gives it Top marks so i am sure its going to be a Cracker ... I too had a deposit on an M2 with December delivery but thought at £50k it was crazy money and would rather buy another Porsche! The CS-S sits perfectly at the £30k price point, throw in guaranteed Limited Run unlike the "relatively" Mass Produced M2 and with a Nurburg Ring time to throw in at the mix and you have a car well worth its sticker price unlike the M2 or AMG 45 ... Which are two great cars IMO - If the CS-S is 9/10 of the M2 i will be very, very happy as i absolutely loved the M2 on a Test Drive but not at £50k :grin:

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #52 on: 27 September 2016, 09:26 »
Agreed GT4

I cannot see why all the scratching.

The CS-S came in cheaper than I thought. My CS is a dearer car in my spec and that's when it starts to get too trumpy at 37 bags.

I cannot wait for my S, nothing else out there for me at that money.

My Daughter has just this week taken delivery of her M2, a cracking car for sure but not the track focused car I'm always after.

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #53 on: 27 September 2016, 10:52 »

God, you didn't just say 0-60 times? again??


Because you posted a video showing the 0-60 time of the Clubsport, hence I was replying to you  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #54 on: 27 September 2016, 12:16 »

God, you didn't just say 0-60 times? again??


Because you posted a video showing the 0-60 time of the Clubsport, hence I was replying to you  :rolleyes:

Lol, another miserable failure to interpret a link as simple as that. Those videos are not about 0-60, that was a good performance benchmark in the 70's or 80's where top speeds were 90-100mph but since I'm in a good mood today I will try to help you  :wink:

The videos are basically about in-gear acceleration ie. what will happen when you are driving and decide to floor the throttle (also known as: reality check) where the ability to launch does not affect performance, not about your beloved drag-race bragging it seems. This, actual in-gear acceleration, is much more indicative of the real world performance and power delivery than any published bhp or 0-60 value. And the times a CS and CS-S score there (like in 60-160 or 100-200km/h) are indeed quicker than a TT-S, A45 AMG, M2, Focus RS.

If you are still unable to get or recognize that, then there's a serious problem...

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #55 on: 27 September 2016, 12:30 »

Lol, another miserable failure to interpret a link as simple as that. Those videos are not about 0-60, that was a good performance benchmark in the 70's or 80's where top speeds were 90-100mph but since I'm in a good mood today I will try to help you  :wink:

The videos are basically about in-gear acceleration ie. what will happen when you are driving and decide to floor the throttle (also known as: reality check) where the ability to launch does not affect performance, not about your beloved drag-race bragging it seems. This, actual in-gear acceleration, is much more indicative of the real world performance and power delivery than any published bhp or 0-60 value. And the times a CS and CS-S score there (like in 60-160 or 100-200km/h) are indeed quicker than a TT-S, A45 AMG, M2, Focus RS.

If you are still unable to get or recognize that, then there's a serious problem...

Isn't going to 60 "in gear acceleration?"  Or can the Clubsport and all those other cars hit 60mph without changing gear?

I haven't checked the other times in your post as, quite frankly, I can't be bothered  :grin: but I'm assuming that you're telling me that the Clubsport will beat all of those cars after 60mph.  Even though its 1.5 seconds down after 60mph  :whistle:

I'm not bragging in anyway, I'm merely making the point that the Clubsport S isn't the fastest car the world has ever seen, despite your replies, and that IMO 35k is better spent elsewhere.  Like on an R.  Are you sure you're not R400 from the R forum?

Anyway, I'll let you get back to your 35k car that doesn't come with an armrest.  Good day to you!
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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #56 on: 27 September 2016, 13:14 »

Lol, another miserable failure to interpret a link as simple as that. Those videos are not about 0-60, that was a good performance benchmark in the 70's or 80's where top speeds were 90-100mph but since I'm in a good mood today I will try to help you  :wink:

The videos are basically about in-gear acceleration ie. what will happen when you are driving and decide to floor the throttle (also known as: reality check) where the ability to launch does not affect performance, not about your beloved drag-race bragging it seems. This, actual in-gear acceleration, is much more indicative of the real world performance and power delivery than any published bhp or 0-60 value. And the times a CS and CS-S score there (like in 60-160 or 100-200km/h) are indeed quicker than a TT-S, A45 AMG, M2, Focus RS.

If you are still unable to get or recognize that, then there's a serious problem...

Isn't going to 60 "in gear acceleration?"  Or can the Clubsport and all those other cars hit 60mph without changing gear?

I haven't checked the other times in your post as, quite frankly, I can't be bothered  :grin: but I'm assuming that you're telling me that the Clubsport will beat all of those cars after 60mph.  Even though its 1.5 seconds down after 60mph  :whistle:

I'm not bragging in anyway, I'm merely making the point that the Clubsport S isn't the fastest car the world has ever seen, despite your replies, and that IMO 35k is better spent elsewhere.  Like on an R.  Are you sure you're not R400 from the R forum?

Anyway, I'll let you get back to your 35k car that doesn't come with an armrest.  Good day to you!

No it isn't true in gear acceleration because any acceleration starting from a standstill is heavily influenced by how well the car launches. That's a drive-train matter. You can put 1500bhp in a FWD, and it probably won't be able to do better than 4" in 0-60, but it'll demolish everything once moving. Is that a not so fast car then? This really is ABC we are talking here, for someone who has supposedly owned a few performance cars I'm genuinely shocked you still can't get your head round that.

If you can't be bothered checking times and other performance data other than the published figures why coming to this thread and embarrass yourself with every new reply, only to accept that "yeah ok I haven't checked this or that nor do I bother. You just have to trust me it's a slow car". Utter boredom isn't an excuse, there are other threads to offer your un-documented wisdom.

"Clubsport, the fastest car the world has ever seen" ? You must be delusional if you think anyone claimed that (along with whoever claimed that). The point, from the beginning, has been that it is faster than you thought in real world (non drag race) driving, and against very specific supposedly fast cars.

The rest of what you say about R400 and arm-rests are naturally incomprehensible and totally irrelevant with whether the CS is fast car or not but it's not the first time you talk irrelevant stuff, just a bit tiring and boring eventually. I hope we can be spared from it soon.

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #57 on: 27 September 2016, 13:20 »
Are you telling me that the Clubsport S doesn't come with an armrest?

Well they can shove my order then. :rolleyes:

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #58 on: 27 September 2016, 13:35 »
Are you telling me that the Clubsport S doesn't come with an armrest?

Well they can shove my order then. :rolleyes:

It gets worse. Cars with arm-rests have a higher top-speed as well as stronger acceleration. I'd say save your money  :grin:

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Re: GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback
« Reply #59 on: 27 September 2016, 13:38 »

No it isn't true in gear acceleration because any acceleration starting from a standstill is heavily influenced by how well the car launches.


What about if both cars start at 1mph, and therefore a rolling start.  Is the Clubsport still quicker than an M2 or Focus RS at that point?  Tell you what, for that 1mph I'll shave 0.1 off the 0-60 time - hell, let's give you 0.2 secs for S&G's - so instead of 1.5 secs behind you can be 1.3 secs behind at 60mph - you're still quicker, right?
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