GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback

[vipergts]

True Motorsport pedigree is usually defined by homologation, where a number of production cars have to be built to allow "innovations" to be justified in the race cars. That is what adds value, or used to in road cars with race pedigree.

A ring record is transient and will soon be bettered on the next car with sticky short term tyres. This may lead to a mk8/9 Golf CS-s in 3-5 years?

I am really pleased VW have made the CS-S, they could have been a bit more hard core with the outcome.

As for values and investment, maybe you can flip a delivery mileage car for £40k in the next 6 months or get your money back in a year.
I think it will be in demand and a safe place to keep your money, maybe even enjoyable if collectors ever drive them? Because if you put average mileage or track laps on them, they will not appreciate relative to the garage queens.

Spot on Paul

I agree also with the point that these could have been more hardcore

I think the days of the old 964/993 Clubsport are well and truly gone where they were true hardcore stripped out to within an inch of their lives. I'll never for get you taking me around brands in yours....superb

After having bought my 997 GT3 RS I was invited to discuss the Gen 2 and what we would like to see. I'd say 95% of owners said they want a more stripped out focused machine. It's never happened and I wonder why

[JoeGTI]

Personally I think you're over thinking this. All said and done it's still just a Golf that's going to depreciate like any other new car. It may well be sought after in 20 years time, so worth 2-3 times more than a stock 20 year old GTI, but in the mean time it will just be like any other white good, replaced with something new and shiny quite once the novelty has worn off.

+1.
I would add to this that I don't think modern cars will stand the test of time like the older stuff. Can you imagine having a 15-20 year old MK7 and something goes tits up with one of the many complex electronic components in the car? $$$$$$$ Straight to the scrapper...

[AndyG]

In 20years we'll all be driving electric cars and probably won't be able to get hold of any petrol for any classic cars anyway.

[vipergts]

Personally I think you're over thinking this. All said and done it's still just a Golf that's going to depreciate like any other new car. It may well be sought after in 20 years time, so worth 2-3 times more than a stock 20 year old GTI, but in the mean time it will just be like any other white good, replaced with something new and shiny quite once the novelty has worn off.

+1.
I would add to this that I don't think modern cars will stand the test of time like the older stuff. Can you imagine having a 15-20 year old MK7 and something goes tits up with one of the many complex electronic components in the car? $$$$$$$ Straight to the scrapper...

I remember thinking this years ago in the late 80's when cars started getting complicated but we see silly prices on this stuff.

Also to put into context a MK1 RS focus with low mileage is 25k plus. I even saw one at over 30k and that's only 15 years old

[The ANT]

Mk1 focus rs is at least 7000 now, for a not very good one, integrales were in that spot 10 years earlier, now look.

[vipergts]

Mk1 focus rs is at least 7000 now, for a not very good one, integrales were in that spot 10 years earlier, now look.

£7000 for a shed yes but a 7000 miler 25k

[The ANT]

Mk1 focus rs is at least 7000 now, for a not very good one, integrales were in that spot 10 years earlier, now look.

£7000 for a shed yes but a 7000 miler 25k

Thats my point.

Cosworths were also in that situation, now you want a 3 door sierra or escort and its worth a fortune regardless of condition an rs500 more than life itself.

[kitbag1984]

Cs are now coming up for sale as nearly new now. Hard to see he exact spec of this one tho:

http://www.jct600.co.uk/used-car-details/used-volkswagen-golf-20-tsi-gti-clubsport-40-5dr-d-hatchback-pure-white-automatic-petrol-id_1233548048.aspx?category=Nearly%20New

[CraigW]

The standard clubsport doesn't get the greatest of reviews from carwow

https://youtu.be/DR-ENZbuR7E

[scanesare]

The standard clubsport doesn't get the greatest of reviews from carwow

https://youtu.be/DR-ENZbuR7E

Looks like a nice chap and definitely one to consider his opinion when looking for your next shopping trolley but for actual sports car reviews I think I'd rather stick with EVO, Top Gear etc if all that came out of his "test-drive" was that it has 2 less wheels than the R, and therefore he doesn't see the point 

I mean I understand not everybody likes/can push cars hard and is not capable or interested in picking up differences in road-feedback, agility, sharp steering but he could have at least mentioned the far sportier/more special interior and cabin feeling compared to the GTI or R that even on their own set the car apart. Nah, not interested it seems.

Also, I wonder if any of the reviewers that drive CS with Brescias realize their test car is a 16kg heavier car due to +4kg of unsprung mass per corner. I have only ever driven a car with stock and then -2kg lighter wheels and the difference was so noticeable. Can't imagine how bad it will be with +4kg.

And a note on the overboost. It is not working as advertised (or as presented in this vid). There is no 25bhp coming on and off. In reality it works much more gradually and seems to be there all the time (mostly). I've timed several in gear pulls from 30 to 130 and the CS seems to be quicker than any equivalent R or S3 times I've seen. But I'm sure it has just 265 bhp...