GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback

[GT4]

Thanks everyone ... its sure fired up some debate?!

My logical thinking takes me this far ...

Negatives:
1) £34k Golf - Expensive car for VW
2) No motorsport Pedigree
3) Front Wheel drive Turbo Charged Sports car
4) Terrible dealer network only used to selling diesels - No Gravitas
5) VW Brand Image - Not BMW M nor Porsche Gt nor Mercedes AMG

Positives:
1) Very, very low number Limited Run - 400 World Wide
2) Less than 1 car per UK dealership
3) 150 RHD drive cars in the World
4) Nurburgring Lap Record - 2 seater stripped out kind of Homologation with Polo Cup car
5) Massive GTi following
6) Cult enthusiast Following
7) Fun to own and Drive
Cheap to own and Drive

So, in short the Positives outweigh the negatives ...

Conclusion:
The Car has just been awarded 5 stars by EVO after blasting round the dales so will probably be part of ECOTY and if featured in the Top 3 will guarantee its cult status which given No Porsche GT product or Ferrari but in their the M2 it might just bag a Podium finish ... I don't think it will make any money and will depreciate £4k a year until £25k then shallow out and then at £20k in 10 years time will slowly rise in value and then in 20 years time will be an absolute Classic and worth a small fortune!

Andrew

[vipergts]

I'm not so sure about some of your negatives

[The ANT]

Motorsport pedigree? We can only dream of that these days, its difficult for a car to leave a legacy these days, without motorsport pedigree they're going into battle with damp powder.
But we can only blame people who make the rules for motorsport.

When ford make a proper rs, then I'll be interested in new fords for the first time since 1996, bmw haven't made an m3 since the (very) early nineties (they just keep the name going) etc.

I don't really agree with any of your negatives.

[Exonian]

Thanks everyone ... its sure fired up some debate?!

My logical thinking takes me this far ...

Negatives:
1) £34k Golf - Expensive car for VW
2) No motorsport Pedigree
3) Front Wheel drive Turbo Charged Sports car
4) Terrible dealer network only used to selling diesels - No Gravitas
5) VW Brand Image - Not BMW M nor Porsche Gt nor Mercedes AMG

Positives:
1) Very, very low number Limited Run - 400 World Wide
2) Less than 1 car per UK dealership
3) 150 RHD drive cars in the World
4) Nurburgring Lap Record - 2 seater stripped out kind of Homologation with Polo Cup car
5) Massive GTi following
6) Cult enthusiast Following
7) Fun to own and Drive
Cheap to own and Drive

So, in short the Positives outweigh the negatives ...

Conclusion:
The Car has just been awarded 5 stars by EVO after blasting round the dales so will probably be part of ECOTY and if featured in the Top 3 will guarantee its cult status which given No Porsche GT product or Ferrari but in their the M2 it might just bag a Podium finish ... I don't think it will make any money and will depreciate £4k a year until £25k then shallow out and then at £20k in 10 years time will slowly rise in value and then in 20 years time will be an absolute Classic and worth a small fortune!

Andrew

You're not R400 off vwroc forum by any chance are you? 

[LRWmotorsport]

Thanks everyone ... its sure fired up some debate?!

My logical thinking takes me this far ...

Negatives:

2) No motorsport Pedigree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XplAjfdKsO8

[vipergts]

It's a touch of the badge snobbery I fear.

The sort that wouldn't buy a Nissan GT-R no matter how good because it's a Datsun

VW has always been held in high regard in the badge stakes IMO

My Woman has the new M3 and that car gets the rear facing cap brigades attention to an embarrassing level, so much so she never uses it

[clubsport]

True Motorsport pedigree is usually defined by homologation, where a number of production cars have to be built to allow "innovations" to be justified in the race cars. That is what adds value, or used to in road cars with race pedigree.

A ring record is transient and will soon be bettered on the next car with sticky short term tyres. This may lead to a mk8/9 Golf CS-s in 3-5 years?

I am really pleased VW have made the CS-S, they could have been a bit more hard core with the outcome.

As for values and investment, maybe you can flip a delivery mileage car for £40k in the next 6 months or get your money back in a year.
I think it will be in demand and a safe place to keep your money, maybe even enjoyable if collectors ever drive them? Because if you put average mileage or track laps on them, they will not appreciate relative to the garage queens.

[GT4]

Thanks GTi for the Youtube clip ... I had no idea there was an all inclusive Motorsport series for the golf - does it use the same engine, chassis etc ..?

As i politely mentioned earlier, i had a Mk4 Gti and loved the reliability and had it for over 10 years so was happy with the badge. My concern is that VW and the dealers don't know how to handle a limited run car or an OCD enthusiast as most VW cars are high volume. When i spoke to my dealership they had no real idea about the Clubsport S and for sure i knew more than them which is unusual and not like Porsche and GT cars ... Hence why i am asking so many questions here to loyal GTi enthusiasts about the car to get a better opinion, as i would say VW don't even know how to handle the launch and PR side of it compared to again say Porsche with a new GT car which is what i am used too ... and info and even pictures are hard to come by - i can't find a picture anywhere of a Black Clubsport S which is what i have been allocated by VW, which again is a very strange scenario?!

Please forgive me if i have been rude or disrespectful, my intention is quite simply the opposite... I am a car enthusiast wanting to share info with fellow car enthusiasts regarding a car that i have a deposit down for but don't understand enough about, you guys can ask me any questions about the GT4 if you like ... and by the way i am not R400 who ever he is ...

Please keep the comments coming, the M Coupe community was a loyal and hardcore one and i feel with "you lot" thats the case also and something that is very special ...

Many thanks
Andrew

[dubber36]

Personally I think you're over thinking this. All said and done it's still just a Golf that's going to depreciate like any other new car. It may well be sought after in 20 years time, so worth 2-3 times more than a stock 20 year old GTI, but in the mean time it will just be like any other white good, replaced with something new and shiny quite once the novelty has worn off.

[fredgroves]

When Porsche sell a GT4 its almost one of the cheapest cars they sell. Of course they care - I'd care if I was selling one car a fortnight and it went for upwards of 90k.

At £34k the CS-S isn't even the most expensive car a VW dealer will sell among the dozens they will shift a week.

Its totally different.