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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #40 on: 12 September 2016, 13:48 »
Whilst I'm not going to venture an opinion on what Chris should get as that's deeply personal and entirely down to his own personal circumstances, however reading this thread has made me smile and also made me realized what a great choice we have in performance Golf's.

10 years or so ago there would have been no choice if one wanted a "sensible" hot Golf, that would have been the GTI. The R was good, and sounded awesome with the 6 pot engine, but drank fuel like English football fans abroad. As for the diesel Golf's well the "true" GTD didn't exist, and there was quite a performance gap between the best of the oil burners and the GTi.

Now days, however, all three models (GTD, GTI and R) have good performance with the performance figures going up incrementally as you move up the range, but real world performance (unless thrashing) isn't worlds apart for all three. Sure the R is quicker than a GTI, and the GTI quicker than a GTD, but even a GTD at around 7 seconds 0-60 and 140mph+ top speed isn't what you would consider snail like.

We should all be very happy that VW has given us a hot(ish) Golf for all pockets and aspirations.
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #41 on: 12 September 2016, 13:52 »
Has anyone here considered something older and more interesting?

I know quite a few people that prefer to buy older cars. You really do get the pick of something that would have been completely out of reach new, but now can be extremely affordable. Granted, these sort of cars will cost more to run and maintain, but when you take the deprecation (or lack of) into account, they can make a lot of sense and provide much more fun than a mundane new hatchback.

You'll probably find a lot of enthusiasts will switch from buying a slightly older 'better' model and a newer one depending on what side of the bed they get out of and what their current requirements are. I know a few people who switch between the two and have seen plenty of that type of thing on the forums.

I think, using a sweeping statement which doesn't actually apply to me, that many car sales are done for ease of transaction and removal of as much risk as possible for the buyer.
Typical modern living really.
Walk into dealer, research online, go back to dealer and either complete the transaction when the figures are right or buy online and hey presto a spanking new car is ordered which has known running costs that can be budgeted for easily. I guess that works for a hell of a lot of people and they know they're getting something reliable, not been in a crash and will be fixed if something goes wrong without incurring a lot of excess bills.
Different things suit different people but I think the above is the most applicable to the majority of people that buy new, particularly younger people that live their lives on credit and have only ever known fairly low interest rates.
People in their 60's or older will have lived through different times so tended to save up for what they can afford as they grew up in post war Britain.
People in their 40's to 50's will remember massive interest rates under Thatcher and prior to that massive inflation, power cuts, strikes and other uncertainties so again will be more cautious with their money.
People younger than 40 will generally only know the fairly stage managed politics and banking of today, probably have little savings as property prices in most of the country are ridiculous, will generally have two full time wages coming in and have grown up in the Playstation generation of just live for the day. People are getting MUCH lazier.
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #42 on: 13 September 2016, 07:49 »
What a coincidence...I was following a new Cupra to work today, looked very stealthy/low key - much like the R (apart from the exhausts and red brake calipers), I was expecting it to look a bit of a Halfords special like the old one was - pleasantly surprised.
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #43 on: 13 September 2016, 07:56 »
To me the Cupra 290 sits between the gti pp and the R. It's got more power than the gti but less than the R.
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #44 on: 13 September 2016, 08:43 »
I've come from a Leon FR and it is a poor mans Golf.  :wink:
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #45 on: 13 September 2016, 15:05 »
The FR might be compared to a gti but what about a cupra to a gti?
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #46 on: 13 September 2016, 20:39 »
Just meant in terms of build quality rather than performance. I've had a mk2 and then mk3 Leon and the fit and finish is not as good as the Golf. Cheap plastics in the cabin, panel alignment etc.
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #47 on: 13 September 2016, 23:35 »
To me the Cupra 290 sits between the gti pp and the R. It's got more power than the gti but less than the R.


As you're talking in terms of power, i think it was auto express who got the cupra around their test track faster than the R.

.......And I'm pretty sure Evo got the R around their track faster than the RS3, never mind the S3!
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #48 on: 13 September 2016, 23:38 »
Ps. Your choice just boils down to how much you'd like/need that extra £50/60/70 pm in your pocket  :smiley:
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Re: Standard Gtd or PP Gti or remapped Gtd
« Reply #49 on: 30 September 2016, 11:09 »
It's really a head v's heart decision. Last year my head won and I got a new GTD in which I did 24k miles. Great car, nice performance. Just swapped it for a new GTI with PP and suspension pack (heart won!) - less MPG but what a difference - the GTD was good but the GTI is superb!