In gear performance and end speed ratios

[Mrparkuk]

Hi all. I've been trying to find data for a pp gti with manual gearbox. Loads of 0-60 type data but I'm more interested in the in gear performance of the car. 30-50 in 2nd/ 3rd, 50-70 in 4th/5th/6th. You get the idea. My prevoius Fiesta ST was Mountuned (mapped and new airbox) and it produced some really good ingear times. I recall 40-60 in 3rd or 4th was seriously quick.

As a non drag racer I'm keen to see how it compares to other vehicles. The 0-62 performance is well documented but of little personal significance.
Also any idea what the mph / 1000rpm data is for the manual versus the DSG gearbox. I was driving a manual 7R last week and it felt like it had very low gearing, ~3000rpm at 80mph as opposed to ~2750 in my gti.

Thanks in advance.

[Exonian]

Volkswagen Driver mag have road tested both a manual 5 door PP and a manual 3 door GTI sans PP.

I'll drag out the magazine figures later or tomorrow, as I'm in the middle of painting at the moment.
The PP was a few tents quicker I seem to remember but that can just be variances in temperature or a looser engine.

And yes, the manual R is too low geared really.
I'd rather it had an extra 30 lb ft torque and higher gearing. However it does need to be revved a lot more than the very relaxed delivery of the GTI, so there must be a reason it's geared how it is.

[Mrparkuk]

Volkswagen Driver mag have road tested both a manual 5 door PP and a manual 3 door GTI sans PP.

I'll drag out the magazine figures later or tomorrow, as I'm in the middle of painting at the moment.
The PP was a few tents quicker I seem to remember but that can just be variances in temperature or a looser engine.

And yes, the manual R is too low geared really.
I'd rather it had an extra 30 lb ft torque and higher gearing. However it does need to be revved a lot more than the very relaxed delivery of the GTI, so there must be a reason it's geared how it is.

Cheers

[chrismc]

3000 @ 80mph sounds perfectly acceptable to me.

But then I'm used to Integra & Accord R's..... It's all about the gearing being suitable for the power delivery of the engine. Both the Hondas being so revvy might seem short geared at motorway speed  but both will happily pull 140+mph given their extended rev ranges.

What's does an R pull as a top speed & @ what RPM?

[Brenbo]

3000 @ 80mph sounds perfectly acceptable to me.

But then I'm used to Integra & Accord R's..... It's all about the gearing being suitable for the power delivery of the engine. Both the Hondas being so revvy might seem short geared at motorway speed  but both will happily pull 140+mph given their extended rev ranges.

What's does an R pull as a top speed & @ what RPM?

I would second your comment.  I have owned 4x Civic Type-R's and so I am also used to revving a car higher to get the performance out of it.  I even drive my GTI like it a bit without even thinking I am not in a Civic Type-R anymore and don't have to do it anymore.  So for me the gearing on the Golf R when i get it sounds fine to me.  I am more used to revving a Type-R up to 5000rpm to get any kind of performance out the car

3000rpm to get performance sounds like what I do with a car naturally anyway.  I have a fairly heavy right foot when it comes to driving a car and watching the rev counter.   

[Exonian]

Drive a Golf R like at Civic R and you'll end up doing about 10mpg!!
A lad in work has just got an original shape CTR import with standard LSD. It's a bit of an animal!

The flip-side of the Golf R's gearing is you can pootle round town in fifth gear where a GTD would probably be in third to keep the turbo spinning.


Anyway, never mind the R, here's the VWD GTI in gear stats:

GTI first and PP second, I should try and do a proper table but I'd only mess it up.

30-50 third, 3.0, 2.6
30-50 fourth, 4.2, 4.0
50-70 third, 3.2, 2.8
50-70 fourth, 3.9, 3.6
50-70 fifth, 4.9, 4.6
50-70 sixth, 6.5, 6.2

Standing start stats also reflect in gear with the PP being a couple tenth a quicker on average.

[Mrparkuk]

Drive a Golf R like at Civic R and you'll end up doing about 10mpg!!
A lad in work has just got an original shape CTR import with standard LSD. It's a bit of an animal!

The flip-side of the Golf R's gearing is you can pootle round town in fifth gear where a GTD would probably be in third to keep the turbo spinning.


Anyway, never mind the R, here's the VWD GTI in gear stats:

GTI first and PP second, I should try and do a proper table but I'd only mess it up.

30-50 third, 3.0, 2.6
30-50 fourth, 4.2, 4.0
50-70 third, 3.2, 2.8
50-70 fourth, 3.9, 3.6
50-70 fifth, 4.9, 4.6
50-70 sixth, 6.5, 6.2

Standing start stats also reflect in gear with the PP being a couple tenth a quicker on average.

Splendid stuff. Many thanks.

[monkeyhanger]

The official German VW site used to have a fair few performance stats that we never saw on the UK site for most models - might be worth having a poke around in there or at least the technical data in their version of the online brochure/pricelist, they used to have stuff like 40-70kmph stats in 2nd/3rd, 80-120kmph in 4th/5th etc.

The R's gearing makes it reasonable on the mpg around town - if you were stuck doing 30mph everywhere, the R wouldn't be far off the GTD, as Exonian has said. I've been stuck in crawling traffic a few times and got 29mpg for my 20 mile commute rather than 33 on clear roads, do the same in the GTD and a clear road giving 55mpg would've plummeted to about 35mpg. The R is a pretty reasonable city car due to the gearing (3100rpm in 6th at 80, compared to 2200rpm in the GTD).

The R is on fire at 5k revs to the red line, but is quite happy being reasonably quick when treated gently, unlike the old naturally aspirated Civic R-type that was very slow until it got wound right up. If I only take the R to 4k revs on my little sliproad measure of performance comparison, it passes a certain signpost at around the same speed as my old GTD (stock) did when it was driven to the max.