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Offline miniman

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auto hold - Dangerous
« on: 05 July 2016, 07:57 »
Waiting at traffic lights, i have the auto hold button pressed, so i dont have to keep my foot on the brake pedal, engine is now off stop/start.
 After a few mins the engine restarts and the car jumps forward because i dont have my foot on the brake pedal, good job i left a suitable gap from the car in front.

 Anyone else experienced this happening?
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Offline monkeyhanger

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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #1 on: 05 July 2016, 08:24 »
Why would you press the autohold button? If you come to a stop and the green symbol comes up on the dash then it is already on, hence "auto" hold. Seems to me like you're switching autohold off and when battery state dictates the car should kick back into life, there's nothing to hold it.

Do you have to keep your foot on the brake in a DSG (presuming yours is DSG) to stop it eanting to creep forward when the car restarts without you pressing the throttle? I'd have thought the DSG box would sit in neutral with stop-start activated until you prod the accelerator.
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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #2 on: 05 July 2016, 09:19 »
The car should not jump forward at all in that scenario.

Not sure if the OP means they always have autohold on or not but either way, with autohold engaged and stop/start activated, when coming to a stop at lights, autohold engages the brake (take foot off brake), stop/start cuts the engine, the car does not move until you press the throttle which realeases the brake and restarts the engine.  Should be no jumping forward. 

So all I can think is that autohold is not engaged properly and stop/start may be restarting the engine prior to throttle being pressed, which it can if you wiggle the steering or tickle the brake lightly, and so the car is then moving fowards unexpectedly?
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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #3 on: 05 July 2016, 09:37 »
Yes, with DSG the car will remain stopped, in gear, with autohold engaged (green light on dash), until you press the accelerator. Not tried the scenario described, but feel sure that it shouldn't happen, as the OP experienced it. As monkeyhanger states, when and why have you pressed the Autohold switch?

Autohold is engaged when the Autohold switch is illuminated. To turn it OFF, press the switch until the light goes out. With Autohold engaged, when you come to a braked stop, Autohold will keep the brake on and you will see a green light in the dash. At this point you can take your foot off the brake and the car will remain stationary, with the brake on, until you press the accelerator. As far as I know, the engine stopping and starting, due to stop/start operating, should not affect this. I will attempt to repeat your experience, but I am pretty confident that the system works from a switch on the accelerator, not just engine speed.

I have made a concious decision, since getting my DSG car, to keep my foot on the footbrake, in this situation, as you only have to touch the accelerator for the car to move off, which, in a tight queue, could be disaster.
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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #4 on: 05 July 2016, 09:55 »
On a similar note, a work colleague of mine has got a golf while their car is being repaired.
I happened to ask how they were getting on with it and they said terrible, it has no handbrake and I can't work out the buttons.
When it was coming to the biting point they were releasing the handbrake button!
What a nightmare situation that must be if you don't know how it all works together.
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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #5 on: 05 July 2016, 11:47 »
In my experience, auto hold works brilliantly with Golf.
I've had no issues whatsoever :smiley:
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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #6 on: 05 July 2016, 11:54 »
It works just perfectly, ok, I have a manual but it should work even better with DSG.

Maybe get someone locally to show you, maybe your dealer.

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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #7 on: 05 July 2016, 14:20 »
In the 4 years ive had a DSG with autohold ive not had any problems, fantastic bit of kit
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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #8 on: 05 July 2016, 14:33 »
same here, no issues whatsoever.
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Re: auto hold - Dangerous
« Reply #9 on: 05 July 2016, 14:56 »
I've never he a problem in 3 years of ownership of DSG golfs With auto hold
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