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Offline S11EPS

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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #10 on: 29 September 2005, 13:56 »
a friend of mine has a 1.4 R5 turbo running 24psi of boost and putting 300BHP to the tarmac. he used to be a pit crew machanic and knows how to build a motor but it still blows every 3,000 miles. I dont see how a puny 1.4 will handle a turbo and supercharger, However the Wolfburg boys did turn smokey diesels into power houses so im sure they can manage this!

Thing is, the R5 engine is a manky old 2 valve per cylinder pushrod item that is based on 70's French technology (ie none). Even in standard trim, the renault 5 GT Turbo was fragile (take it from me, I killed mine). No matter what you did to these things, monster power meant monster boost, which meant they would eventually blow themselves apart.

The engine that Volkswagen are using is considerably more complex/technologically advanced and will be built to withstand the boost involved. Additioanlly, the idea is that the supercharger provides the boost at low revs (as it is chain driven in winds up with zero load required) and it is then replaced with the turbocharger as the laod (and therefore exhaust gasses) get the turbo spinning nicely. It's not going to be a mega-boost monster!

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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #11 on: 29 September 2005, 13:57 »
i think its a quality idea.

Think its really clever how they can get that much power out of such a small engine. Presumably being a smaller engine its goin to be lighter too so it will feel faster!?!

Probally not mate, Although the block will be slightly smaller it will have to be more robust to take the extra boost, you also have a fairly hefty supercharger bolted ontop and a turbo charger with the extra turbo manafold waight behind that so it could even waigh more than a 1.8 NA motor.


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Some good points from S11EPs tho. Im sure the VW boys will pull somthing out to suprise us.

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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #12 on: 29 September 2005, 14:02 »
the idea is that the supercharger provides the boost at low revs (as it is chain driven in winds up with zero load required) and it is then replaced with the turbocharger as the load (and therefore exhaust gasses) get the turbo spinning nicely. It's not going to be a mega-boost monster!

and to think there was a plan to do this to my rallye  :lipsrsealed:  :grin:
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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #13 on: 29 September 2005, 14:03 »
Ahhh, but yours WILL be a mega boost monster!!!

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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #14 on: 29 September 2005, 17:17 »
i like the idea of it, bit like the wankel rotary engine in rx7's and 8's. they're 1.3's (i think) and put out lots of power. i know the enginedesign is totally different but the principal is the same. small engien big power!
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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #15 on: 29 September 2005, 19:24 »
the wankel :wink: rotary engine could be 3.9 or 1.3 depends who you ask!

Isnt the mk2 made by awt using a supercharged and turbocharged 1.8t engine? (bloody vw they have no original ideas!!)

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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #16 on: 29 September 2005, 19:30 »
why a 1.4??? i cant see the engine putting up with much abuse, why not do that to a 1.8 or 2.0 engine?????

actually the opposite is true.. with a smaller bore the cylinder walls are likely to be thicker and stronger and more likely to handle the extra stress...
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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #17 on: 29 September 2005, 19:56 »
Why don't they just make a tubo that works through all the rev range by having the inlet pipe nozzle jib (gotta love the engineering termws form an undergrad...) adjust to the speed of the engine....i.e. when you are at low speed/revs, the nozzle is smaller so the air flows through it quicker (continuity, think i have been paying to much attention in lectures....better get back to sleep), thus spinning the turbine blades quicker, then as your speed increase the inlet nozzle adjust and becomes larger to compensate for the extra air that is coming in.......or you would blow the turbo apart :grin: :undecided:

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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #18 on: 30 September 2005, 14:52 »
the idea is that the supercharger provides the boost at low revs (as it is chain driven in winds up with zero load required) and it is then replaced with the turbocharger as the load (and therefore exhaust gasses) get the turbo spinning nicely. It's not going to be a mega-boost monster!

and to think there was a plan to do this to my rallye :lipsrsealed: :grin:

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Re: Golf GTTsi soon to be released!
« Reply #19 on: 30 September 2005, 15:59 »
Why don't they just make a tubo that works through all the rev range by having the inlet pipe nozzle jib (gotta love the engineering termws form an undergrad...) adjust to the speed of the engine....i.e. when you are at low speed/revs, the nozzle is smaller so the air flows through it quicker (continuity, think i have been paying to much attention in lectures....better get back to sleep), thus spinning the turbine blades quicker, then as your speed increase the inlet nozzle adjust and becomes larger to compensate for the extra air that is coming in.......or you would blow the turbo apart :grin: :undecided:

uhh.. why not just use a supercharger?
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