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Offline maczi

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GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« on: 09 February 2016, 11:01 »
Maybe it's just me, but I find the GTI DSG box is rarely in the gear I want. Obviously it depends on what you deem the "right" gear to be for any given moment and driving style but neither Normal mode or Sport mode generally does it for me. I really think there should be a mode in-between these two.

Normal mode often changes up too quickly and is always languishing around 2000rpm and offers limited immediate response to throttle.
Sport mode is the opposite and will often not change up until north of 6000rpm which I feel is a bit too high.

I know in Normal mode you can put your foot down and it will kick down a gear or two but that takes time and does not make for a smooth and controlled driving experience.

I think the DSG is a fine system in itself and it's great for easy driving and with the ACC etc but I'm just not convinced the programming of the modes is ideal.

I now fully appreciate I should of got the manual but I just wondered what other people thought?

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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #1 on: 09 February 2016, 11:20 »
I have no problems with the dsg. I change the  mode, depending on the road I am on and traffic conditions. We are lucky to have some fabulous and quiet  driving roads where I live especially during week days. Unfortunately, at the weekends and especially the summer they become infested with bicyclists ! So you then have to take great care and go slowly.So experiment with dsg a bit more and you should soon be fine, I would never go back to manual. Jeremy Clarkson has dsg on his Gti and that says something.

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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #2 on: 09 February 2016, 12:13 »
For me the mode in between normal and sport mode is manual mode  :whistle:

Get using those paddles and you can drive the car in the right gear (for your driving style) all the time  :tongue:
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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #3 on: 09 February 2016, 12:32 »
For me the mode in between normal and sport mode is manual mode  :whistle:

Get using those paddles and you can drive the car in the right gear (for your driving style) all the time  :tongue:

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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #4 on: 09 February 2016, 13:14 »
So glad I ordered a manual. I have the same issue when I drive my wife's A3 s-tronic
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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #5 on: 09 February 2016, 14:06 »
I have no problems with the dsg. I change the  mode, depending on the road I am on and traffic conditions. We are lucky to have some fabulous and quiet  driving roads where I live especially during week days. Unfortunately, at the weekends and especially the summer they become infested with bicyclists ! So you then have to take great care and go slowly.So experiment with dsg a bit more and you should soon be fine, I would never go back to manual. Jeremy Clarkson has dsg on his Gti and that says something.
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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #6 on: 09 February 2016, 14:27 »
I hate the DSG box. Could not have one at all, my wife has a Mk6 GTi with a DSG box and it is horrible to drive.

I have tried loads of other VW cars with DSG and they were all crap(in my view) I would always go with a manual unless it was in a bigger car like a 4x4

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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #7 on: 09 February 2016, 15:17 »
Quote from: robtt
Jeremy Clarkson has dsg on his Gti and that says something.

It's because Jeremy Clarkson is always banging on about hating manual labour.
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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #8 on: 09 February 2016, 15:25 »
I hate the DSG box. Could not have one at all, my wife has a Mk6 GTi with a DSG box and it is horrible to drive.

I have tried loads of other VW cars with DSG and they were all crap(in my view) I would always go with a manual unless it was in a bigger car like a 4x4

I'm with you on that one, wouldn't have it as a free option. It either sticks you in 6th gear at 30mph or with more than a tickle of the throttle it has you dropping 4 cogs and revving the nuts off the car. Normal acts as you'd expect Eco to. Leave the gear changes to a dumb computer and sometimes you'll get a dumb decision, like dropping from 6th to 3rd at 6000revs for a fraction of a second before milking 4th, rather than going straight to 4th.
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Re: GTI DSG - rarely in the "right" gear?
« Reply #9 on: 09 February 2016, 16:11 »
The DSG is a bit too digital.
For some driving conditions it's absolutely perfect and others it's just a bit pre programmed.

If you sit in traffic jams it's probably your best friend but then again if that's all you do you'd be better off with an e-golf whilst you sit there mimicking a steam train puffing on an e-cig alleviating the boredom.
If you have a GTD on a company car scheme and spend hours driving on motorways it's probably the best invention since convenience food (both of which you probably rely on to get you through the day). Fire up the ACC, relax and let the car do the work for you. Can't be all bad, just remember to steer once in a while as you sip your overpriced coffee in a designer label paper cup.

If you do trackdays then DSG is probably also a nice option to have for ultimate speed on the limit, but then again it takes away some of the car and driver connection and again it becomes a bit digital. Not that you have chance to think about how digital it feels when a bend is fast approaching and you're bouncing off the red line in Race/Sport mode.

I don't have the best co-ordination in the world and I do fluff my gear changes from time to time but I do pride myself in the fact I can look, brake, steer and select a gear for an upcoming bend far more satisfyingly than a chip hidden away under the car can.

The BMW 8 speed that uses the nav to select gears sounds a great idea in theory but 8 gears in a car that's rarely going to go above 80mph in the real world?

For me I think that with modern high torque turbo engines that reach peak torque around 1400-1500 rpm, like the M135i and GTI, then carry that torque until well over 4000 rpm don't need lots of gear changes to hustle them along quickly. They need the driver to be paying attention to the road not fiddling with settings on the car, then using a bit of anticipation you can actually avoid the other morons on the road and make good progress.
For me with a car that has that broad torque delivery I'd say the less time it's buggering about changing gear the better and a five speed manual would be best. 5th gear for cruising and just slot it into 3rd when you want a blast of acceleration; or if you're on a challenging road and want to have maximum power but top speeds can't be attained then 4th down to 2nd then back up through the box would have the gearbox decoupled whilst gears are being changed for the least amount of time.
6th to 4th can be a bit of a hit and miss change and 6th to third even worse!

Mind you there are times when I do wonder whether I'd make better progress in a DSG but not £1400 better progress - I'd rather have £1400 worth of engine and/or chassis mods!

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