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Offline Sootchucker

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Thoughts on the GTD
« on: 25 January 2016, 08:06 »
There - I was dared to create this thread and so I have. I'll sit back and wait for the flaming to begin  :grin: :grin:

Seriously though, as the other two performance Golf's have their thread, what about one for us (although it will most likely be moved into the TDI section  :cry:)

Why did I buy, well I'd had two VW TDI's before the Golf (a MK5 GT TDI and a 2011 Scirocco GT), and both were brilliant and faultlessly reliable. At the time I went looking, I was going around 15-17k per year and so a diesel just made more sense.

I purchased blind so to speak as at time of ordering, as the GTI/GTD had only just been made available to order and there wasn't a single one in the country, so it was really based upon catalogue specs and pictures and a good dollop of faith. The thing was essentially vapour ware and VW UK were clueless as to what the UK spec would be at time of ordering.

I read and read about the car (from German forums etc, where they took delivery a little earlier than the UK) and starting piecing the missing bits of spec together that VW UK had not a clue about. Standard equipment (like the GTI and the later R) was quite generous with Xenons, 18 Alloys, electric folding mirrors, Radar cruise control, parking sensors front and rear and ambient lighting to name but a few. With my spec I added Discover Nav Pro, Dynaudio, Adaptive Chassis Control, rear view camera, auto park assist, winter pack and Keyless entry.

What made me choose the GTD was that to the uninitiated it looked like a GTI (minus the slightly different exhaust arrangement), and to compliment the GTI - that was fine by me as it was a very handsome car inside and out. As it was (and this is a very personal opinion), I did slightly prefer the non red accents in the grill and lights as well as the more "sombre" grey interior, but aside from that it was the same parts bin for both models. I actually do also prefer the GTD's Nogaro alloys to the ones on the GTI (although to be fair, the GTI alloys have since grown on me).

For me the GTD is then a masterful exercise in practicality, decent performance and decent fuel consumption all wrapped up in a tidy looking package. Sure the GTI and R are faster, although as has been pointed out many times before, standing starts are not really a true measure of a car's performance but the ability to overtake, and whilst a non mapped GTD still doesn't have the legs on a R or a GTI, in the real world it wouldn't be too far behind.

For me in over 2 years of ownership the car has been brilliant aided by the immensely capable (and controversial) DSG gearbox, which I love. Sure the manual is more economical and a more "purist" box, but for my driving (lots of town driving) the DSG just suits, and more importantly suits the power and torque characteristics of the diesel engine.

My overall fuel consumption over the period of ownership is just under 46mpg, with 55-60mpg very easily attainable on a run (with a best ever over nearly 200 miles of 64.5mpg - calculated). Obviously miles off what VW's brochure said it would do, but who ever really takes those figures seriously (from any manufacturer) ? For me a a DSG equipped family hatch with over 180ps, capable of 0-60 in just over 7 seconds and a top speed of over 140mph, that will still return over 45mpg - AS AN AVERAGE, is nothing short of witchcraft.

I know some people just hate diesels full stop, and nothing I or any others say will change that, and to them having a diesel version of the GTI is sacrilegious - but I guess these are the times we live in, and I for one am not going to have a go at them or get them to change their mind - it's our money and we buy what WE like, not what everyone else says we should like.

Would I have another - Yes and no. If I was doing the miles still absolutely in a heart beat. As it is with my annual mileage dwindling, probably not if I was purchasing new again, as the running costs between a GTI (or even an "R") over small annual mileages does narrow the financial gap considerably. As it is, I'm not in the market for a new car, as I will wait a few years for the MK8 GTI/GTD/R's to appear and mature for at least a year before considering, and in the meantime I'm going to do something I've never done before. When the PCP is up later this year - I'm buying the car outright.

That's how good an all rounder I consider the GTD to be - and I don't care if I'm ridiculed or if this thread is moved - yeah, I've said it now  :laugh: :laugh:     
« Last Edit: 25 January 2016, 10:49 by Sootchucker »
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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #1 on: 25 January 2016, 08:09 »
We knew you'd step up. Nice one Sootchucker.   :smiley:
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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #2 on: 25 January 2016, 08:21 »
Ha thanks Rebecca - never one to shy away from a challenge.  :grin: :grin:

Let the mud slinging begin  :wink:
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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #3 on: 25 January 2016, 09:09 »
Ha thanks Rebecca - never one to shy away from a challenge.  :grin: :grin:

Let the mud slinging begin  :wink:

Prepare yourself Sootchucker  :grin:
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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #4 on: 25 January 2016, 09:49 »
Pretty sure it was yourself on the Audi Forum who flagged up the upcoming GTD.

At that time I was just about to order my 3rd Audi A3 Quattro but the standard specifications of the GTD and the ability to afford a few more options such as DSG and DCC were too compelling to not make the switch. So bought blind too as one of first uptakes. 

There GTI was also an option but the mileage was doing at time of order made the GTD the sensible choice.

Imagine the new A3 were similarly improved but the GTD has proved a huge lift over my outgoing A3 S Line with their hard rides and heaviness though did sometimes miss the off the line acceleration of the 170 BHP in combination with the Quattro.

The GTD is more refined in its power and best performance is in the mid range and moving from Bridgestones vastly improved the off the line experience.

So performance wise there was adjustment to new sweet spots but they proved just as satisfying.

My mileage has dropped so economy is likely in the 43 MPG overall but that is still pretty decent and you can get 55 MPG on a long run.

The DSG/DCC/Auto Hold in combination make for the most restful of driving when in traffic or stuck on the M 25

It looks great too, still gets looks even now. 

So my experience is a ringing endorsement of the MK7 in general and the GTD for its ultimate combination of decent performance/comfort/economy - Other cars will excel in one of those categories its aimed at many will find it hard to achieve all three at same time.

Choose new vehicle in about 6 weeks and having a real dilemma as we too have toyed with buying it outright or moving up the performance chain to GTI or an R given mileage has dropped and fuel reasonable for the foreseeable.

There has been a left field addition to my choice as the new Tiguan -R Line is due out in Spring and consider it is heavily based on the MK7 its tempting with same engine as GTD and 4 Motion. Really disliked the outgoing Tiguan as looked dated and interior was not inspiring but the new R Line is a looker.

Already done the Audi, BMW and Mercedes garage visits and nothing turned my head - Real dislike for the Mercedes A Series, so claustrophobic inside.

So have same feelings as you, in no hurry to move from the GTD and that's rare feeling as new shiny car itch usually well set in by now, but unless have to could happily run it for many years


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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #5 on: 25 January 2016, 18:02 »
I'm very fond of mine too. Don't have a lot more to add over the other posts but it really is a fabulous combination of sporty looks, good economy and decent performance. For what it costs and for the mileage I'm doing there isn't anything else I'd rather be driving  :smiley:
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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #6 on: 25 January 2016, 19:39 »
The GTD ticked almost all of the boxes when I placed an order for one on the strength of the brochure/website on Good Friday of 2013:-

Looks massively better than the MK6 (IMO), to bring me back to a Golf from a Scirocco.

Rammed with standard equipment, the MK6's spec looked a bit sparse next to the Scirocco which I bought instead (twice!).

Lovely standard wheels - the prettiest standard wheels of the performance Golfs, by a long way (Austins are a bit ugly, Cadiz more so - IMO)

Much better mpg*

Silky smooth ride for a car on lowered suspension and 18" wheels (based on the GT test drive and then confirmed when I got a test drive in a Demo GTD a week before my Dad's GTD arrived.

Increased refinement of the TDI engine.

Downsides:-

The upside of the GTD's refinement compared to a string of previous TDIs is also its downside, it feels far slower than it is due to its linear power delivery and ride refinement.

* an outright lie. I used to match or beat combined mpg prior to the introduction of stop-start tech. A few months after collection, the car companies started putting out arse covering statements such as "67mpg, for comparison purposes only, may not reflect real-life driving situations". As it was, the GTD was exactly like the expectations of old TDIs, except it takes an age (comparably) to warm up. This canes the mpg on short journeys, but longer journeys give slightly better mpg than the TDIs of old.

Tramping, lots and lots of tramping. Bridgestones. Why VW? Absolutely ruined the car. I was too tight to change them, if I hadn't been, i'd have probably still had the GTD and not considered the R to get rid of tramping.

I got over the lack of excitement in the GTD by adding a DTUK box- absolutely transforms the car, comfortably beats anything petrol under 250ps that I ever came across in the 40-80mph range with no detriment to the overall mpg. Fewer DPF regens with it on too. The GTD seems to be far more resilient than the R or GTI when mapped or boxed, haven't heard anyone say their engine/turbo/clutch was goosed after modification, but plenty of people in GTIs and Rs have. As much as i'd love a 360ps R for an extra £400, I wouldn't dare have the work done.

I liked the GTD, I loved it when I got the DTUK box on, but the tramping pissed me off no end and knowing i'd at last be in a position to buy a car outright (big redundancy payout) and escape the PCP interest I knew I could get an R and the extra thirst would be more than offset by the interest savings.

Then history repeated itself, well almost - the R came with Bridgestones and at last I got my wallet out and bought it a set of PSS, the car is transformed!

If you're in a Bridgestone shod GTD and find it a bit boring, i'd recommend getting it mapped/boxed and some new shoes - it will be quite a shot in the arm for it!

I could see myself back in another TDI in future, if only they'd shoehorn that 3.0TDI lump into something the size of a Golf, a 300ps TDI (inc tuning box) would be amazing.
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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #7 on: 25 January 2016, 19:46 »
Just to add recently changed from my GTD to a GTI PP both manuals and in real world the GTD was/is better car only really changed as had a deal offered that couldn't say no too and just to say have had a GTI . As it turned out was perfectly timed due to diesel gate and got the £1250 deposit contribution loads of discount as well so paying less for GTI than GTD plus got 20k part ex for 16 month old 5 door . GTI is fantastic car with all standard kit that's now included but will be going back to GTD in future think that says it all really .

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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #8 on: 26 January 2016, 10:40 »
Tramping, lots and lots of tramping. Bridgestones. Why VW? Absolutely ruined the car. I was too tight to change them, if I hadn't been, i'd have probably still had the GTD and not considered the R to get rid of tramping.

I have already bought a set of 19" wheels for my estate GTD(can't spec the estate with 19") and I'm going to be using the tyres that I have on my current car, they are better in the wet than the standard Conti's were in the dry. I know the size is slightly off because they are 235/35/19 but that shouldn't be a problem and I can adjust the speed difference through VagCom.

I'm also wondering what my Luganos would look like on the GTD but I can't find any photos of a MK7 with Luganos on, probably a reason for that though.


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Re: Thoughts on the GTD
« Reply #9 on: 26 January 2016, 11:53 »
Well after having my MK6 GTD for about 3 years, its a record as i like a car, i looked at the price to change and thought naw i aint paying that so i bought a Fiesta st. Great little car but the recaro seats broke my back!
So after 6 weeks enough was enough and i bought a Seat leon fr 150 with tech pack! The car just didn't look fight so stuck on a roof spoiler, yeh it looked better and the seats were comfy...bit like a couch from DFS! 6 months of ownership and still didn't quite like the look of the thing...so i got myself a GTD. Looks brilliant, drives great and very happy....its funny to end up where i should have been in the first place! and i think it would have been cheaper  :cry:

And after i wrote this i've just phoned the performance centre and they're going to reset my Bluefin and remap the darn thing tomorrow..now extremely happy  :smiley:
« Last Edit: 26 January 2016, 12:03 by golfhappy »
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