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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #130 on: 25 March 2016, 10:57 »
My main concern over the CS edition will be its ability to put all its power down through the front wheels. My 'bog-basic' GTI struggles to put all its power down particularly between 1st, 2nd and 3rd. This is my number one bugbear with the GTI. With all the extra power of the CS, and a bit more torque, I hazard a guess the CS will struggle in anything but near perfect conditions. If I was in the market for 'even more' performance and power, which I'm not, I wouldn't hesitate and get an R. The 4Motion system helps plant nearly all available power down onto the road, even in damp conditions. That's true day-to-day usable performance. Extra power is all well and but if you can't use it.......

I don't mean to p*ss on anybody's chips. Just a reality check. However I think the CS will be collectable and hold its value well in the years ahead.

That roof spoiler still looks a bit chav though :wink:

Does your GTi have the PP pack?

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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #131 on: 25 March 2016, 11:08 »
My main concern over the CS edition will be its ability to put all its power down through the front wheels. My 'bog-basic' GTI struggles to put all its power down particularly between 1st, 2nd and 3rd. This is my number one bugbear with the GTI. With all the extra power of the CS, and a bit more torque, I hazard a guess the CS will struggle in anything but near perfect conditions. If I was in the market for 'even more' performance and power, which I'm not, I wouldn't hesitate and get an R. The 4Motion system helps plant nearly all available power down onto the road, even in damp conditions. That's true day-to-day usable performance. Extra power is all well and but if you can't use it.......

I don't mean to p*ss on anybody's chips. Just a reality check. However I think the CS will be collectable and hold its value well in the years ahead.

That roof spoiler still looks a bit chav though :wink:

Does your GTi have the PP pack?

No. As I said it's a stock GTI. However, I've heard of plenty on here with a PP suffering the same issues.
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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #132 on: 25 March 2016, 11:12 »
My main concern over the CS edition will be its ability to put all its power down through the front wheels. My 'bog-basic' GTI struggles to put all its power down particularly between 1st, 2nd and 3rd. This is my number one bugbear with the GTI. With all the extra power of the CS, and a bit more torque, I hazard a guess the CS will struggle in anything but near perfect conditions. If I was in the market for 'even more' performance and power, which I'm not, I wouldn't hesitate and get an R. The 4Motion system helps plant nearly all available power down onto the road, even in damp conditions. That's true day-to-day usable performance. Extra power is all well and but if you can't use it.......

I don't mean to p*ss on anybody's chips. Just a reality check. However I think the CS will be collectable and hold its value well in the years ahead.

That roof spoiler still looks a bit chav though :wink:

Does your GTi have the PP pack?

No. As I said it's a stock GTI. However, I've heard of plenty on here with a PP suffering the same issues.

I have driven both and I found a big difference. What tyres do you have and what pressure are they set at?

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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #133 on: 25 March 2016, 11:49 »
My main concern over the CS edition will be its ability to put all its power down through the front wheels. My 'bog-basic' GTI struggles to put all its power down particularly between 1st, 2nd and 3rd. This is my number one bugbear with the GTI. With all the extra power of the CS, and a bit more torque, I hazard a guess the CS will struggle in anything but near perfect conditions. If I was in the market for 'even more' performance and power, which I'm not, I wouldn't hesitate and get an R. The 4Motion system helps plant nearly all available power down onto the road, even in damp conditions. That's true day-to-day usable performance. Extra power is all well and but if you can't use it.......

I don't mean to p*ss on anybody's chips. Just a reality check. However I think the CS will be collectable and hold its value well in the years ahead.

That roof spoiler still looks a bit chav though :wink:

Does your GTi have the PP pack?

No. As I said it's a stock GTI. However, I've heard of plenty on here with a PP suffering the same issues.

I have driven both and I found a big difference. What tyres do you have and what pressure are they set at?

Mk7-GTD I don't want to hijack this thread with my 'transfer all available power to tarmac' woes. PM me if you wanna chat some more. Thx  :smiley:
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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #134 on: 25 March 2016, 13:40 »
Before anyone gets ideas about the CS becoming collectible, it makes sense to find out how many will be built in total and how many coming to the UK.

The Uk were supposed to receive 1500 Ed30's, but there ended up being something like 2200 examples imported, so we may need to see how many actually arrive?


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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #135 on: 25 March 2016, 14:23 »
Before anyone gets ideas about the CS becoming collectible, it makes sense to find out how many will be built in total and how many coming to the UK.

The Uk were supposed to receive 1500 Ed30's, but there ended up being something like 2200 examples imported, so we may need to see how many actually arrive?

I personally don't think the number built or available for the UK will make a difference to the desirability of the Clubsport to the right people...

Yes, more ed30s than were originally allocated came through, still didn't dampen the enthusiasm for it at the time and even now it remains a very desirable car and commands a healthy premium over a 'regular' gti,
Fast forward to the ED35 which was available with no restrictions on availability, even with this only around 700 ever made it onto the road and again they command a healthy premium over a regular gti,

The anniversary editions have always been a niche model and imo don't appeal to the majority of 'normal' GTI buyers (cost versus the regular gti for little perceived extra and sat under the halo 'R' models), I can't see the Clubsport being any different in this respect or any less desirable regardless of numbers...?  :smiley:
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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #136 on: 25 March 2016, 16:26 »
Hmm. didn't the Ed 30 & 35 cost a healthy premium over a regular GTi when new?

After 8-10 years old (approx) when cars have been through a few good bad owners and have different mileages, conditions and service histories, that makes more difference to any premium.

I have owned classic cars for years before it became " the thing to do", low numbers of desirable cars built does tend to maintain and increase values over time.

Porsche has restricted numbers of new GT4, Spyder, RS & R. The last 2 have traded thinly at 100% premium, that is for physical & paper trail cars!

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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #137 on: 25 March 2016, 16:28 »
My main concern over the CS edition will be its ability to put all its power down through the front wheels. My 'bog-basic' GTI struggles to put all its power down particularly between 1st, 2nd and 3rd. This is my number one bugbear with the GTI. With all the extra power of the CS, and a bit more torque, I hazard a guess the CS will struggle in anything but near perfect conditions. If I was in the market for 'even more' performance and power, which I'm not, I wouldn't hesitate and get an R. The 4Motion system helps plant nearly all available power down onto the road, even in damp conditions. That's true day-to-day usable performance. Extra power is all well and but if you can't use it.......

I don't mean to p*ss on anybody's chips. Just a reality check. However I think the CS will be collectable and hold its value well in the years ahead.

That roof spoiler still looks a bit chav though :wink:
The rear spoiler is more discreet with the darker colours!

Have a look on seatcupra.net if you want feedback on how the CS will handle the power. A friend of mine had a Cupra for a while as a company car and he didn't complain too much about wheelspin. He's not one for hanging around either.

Having spent a small but very enjoyable amount of time with a GTI PP with tuning box the only traction issues are from a standing start if you're blasting from the lights without feeding the power in smoothly. If the wheels are turned such as coming out of sharp corners the diff takes care of the wheelspin and the car just rockets out. It felt lighter on its toes than an R and with the extra torque it just pulled cleanly and quickly where as an R digs its arse end in and powers out in a different way. The CS will be somewhere between those two with an extra useable rev range compared to a tuned PP GTI (but less torque), and minus the rear axle intervention of the R but feeling lighter. Good fun in other words!

As ever with the limited edition Golfs, they'll depreciate like any other model in the range for the first few years then steady out when they become sought after. The ED30 hit the market at a time when hot hatches were in high fashion again so were always in demand due to the tune-ability(sp?) of the Cupra engine it used but the current vogue seems to be 350 bhp plus über hatches for those upsizing from regular GTI's, R's and RS etc plus those downsizing from M3's and AMG's due to the latter's hideous running costs. The general buying public seem to like Qashquais and Evoques and Kugas at the moment so the Tiguan R Line will be of more interest to a lot of people who want a sporty looking car but don't use its abilities much.

After the dull ED35 I think VW have done a good, if slightly busy looking, job with the CS and I'm sure it'll have its own little place in history.
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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #138 on: 25 March 2016, 16:31 »
Hmm. didn't the Ed 30 & 35 cost a healthy premium over a regular GTi when new?

After 8-10 years old (approx) when cars have been through a few good bad owners and have different mileages, conditions and service histories, that makes more difference to any premium.

I have owned classic cars for years before it became " the thing to do", low numbers of desirable cars built does tend to maintain and increase values over time.

Porsche has restricted numbers of new GT4, Spyder, RS & R. The last 2 have traded thinly at 100% premium, that is for physical & paper trail cars!
There's a Capri Brooklands on eBay at the moment for about £100,000
I'm sure there are a few of us that wince when we see the current values of cars we sold for a couple hundred quid a few years ago!!
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Re: GTI Clubsport sad news for now.....Can't be long now
« Reply #139 on: 25 March 2016, 18:22 »


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