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Offline clubsport

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Re: Golf R
« Reply #10 on: 16 January 2016, 16:46 »
I agree with Jackie T's post on the effects on the engine, battery and starter motor.

I turn mine off as soon as I get in the car.

I like to think of it was a clever device fitted by VW to get the emissions and road tax down, but they wouldn't be that sneaky would they? :)

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Re: Golf R
« Reply #11 on: 16 January 2016, 17:03 »
Wouldn't it affect the battery as well?
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Re: Golf R
« Reply #12 on: 16 January 2016, 17:20 »
I like it, it's easy to work with and I only ever switch it off if I'm needing a quick start at a junction or roundabout.

I like it on the manual cars, if you think the lights are about to go green or waiting at a roundabout or junction for a gap to get on it, you keep the clutch dipped, and if you've just missed a set and have a wait, you let it kick in. More intrusive on the DSG without a feather touch on the brakes when coming to a stop (not always possible, depending on what conditions ahead are doing).

I wonder if there are various sensitivity settings on the amount of brake pressure applied as i definitely use more than a feather touch on mine and it very rarely cuts out.
When I tested a GTI with DSG before I bought my first Mk7 Golf  I had decided within a couple of minutes that I was having a manual on my GTI. The DSG in that car was awful. Really sluggish and slow to respond and that one did cut the engine with a very light touch. My R with DSG is night and day different and in my opinion how it should work. It's so in obtrusive I hardly ever notice it and don't feel the need to reach for the off switch every time I get in it.
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Re: Golf R
« Reply #13 on: 16 January 2016, 17:58 »
I was once told that for it to save fuel that the stop has to be longer than a minute, any less than that and it uses more fuel starting the car. I'm no expert and the person that told me that works test facility and seemed to know what he was saying. However as I said I'm no expert and he could have been bullsh!tting me.

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Re: Golf R
« Reply #14 on: 16 January 2016, 18:22 »
It would be great if it could be turned off permanently using the touch screen.
I hate it in my wife's car which has the s tronic box.
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Re: Golf R
« Reply #15 on: 16 January 2016, 19:03 »
The stop/start facility should be stopped and started as little as possible to produce longevity for consumable parts.  The starter, oil, oil pump, battery, engine components are all effected by the stop start process so the fewer amount of times this process activates the better for you engine.  VW did not fit this device for the longevity of you engine, my guess is it was fitted purely for the emissions/MPG process.  You do not want the oil pump and oil flow stopped and started constantly in any engine...

The starter motor on stop-start enabled cars is beefed up, the battery is optimised for stop-start in the way it is charged and discharged, and on the R at least, the car is using an electric coolant over-run pump (V51) to stop the turbo bearings from overheating for a short while after the engine is turned off (there's a few R2D2 sounding noises and the low hum) - I'm quite sure the GTI engine (and all variants of the current 2.0TSI) has this but can't confirm it.

Stop-start won't kick in until the engine is sufficiently warm - VW have clearly considered the effects stop-start would have on a stone-cold engine, battery and starter motor (when the oil has thinned with warmth to not make restart effort as hard as the first start). By far the most engine wear occurs on the first cold start-up when the oil is not on the internal components of the engine after being sat for hours/overnight. If stop-start put a huge amount of wear on the engine and ancillaries, i'd expect to see a noticeable amount of metal in the oil filter at every oil change.

Stop start won't make VAG engines last half the miles they used to, considerations have been made in the design and utilisation of stop-start tech. I'm sure most of the other Marques did the same when they introduced stop-start.

Things have moved on in engine tech and lubrication tech since the 80s...
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Re: Golf R
« Reply #16 on: 16 January 2016, 19:25 »
Has anyone got a photo of the button on the r because i cant find one.
Thanks again.

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Re: Golf R
« Reply #17 on: 16 January 2016, 19:34 »
I was once told that for it to save fuel that the stop has to be longer than a minute, any less than that and it uses more fuel starting the car. I'm no expert and the person that told me that works test facility and seemed to know what he was saying. However as I said I'm no expert and he could have been bullsh!tting me.

With thin fully synthetic oils and other recent tech (fuel priming etc.), it's supposed to be down to about 20 seconds now. On a car without stop-start tech it is somewhere between 40 seconds and a minute if someone simply switched the ignition off at a set of lights.
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Re: Golf R
« Reply #18 on: 16 January 2016, 19:38 »
It's the button next to the driving mode selection button on the left side of the gear stick.

I dislike stop/start immensely and turn it off as a matter of course, just after buckling up and switching the ignition on. I'm adept at stopping it kicking in by just tapping the brake at standstill, but don't see the point when you can just switch it off and be fine with it.  I like the other AIDS such as hill hold (genius) and the electronic handbrake etc, but not warmed to S/S at all.
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Re: Golf R
« Reply #19 on: 16 January 2016, 19:44 »
Has anyone got a photo of the button on the r because i cant find one.
Thanks again.

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