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Offline ffrank

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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #30 on: 23 November 2015, 18:50 »
Had a part ex price from the test drive dealership - £17,100 trade in book price but they would bump to £18,100. Adding the loyalty discount takes it to £19,100 so close enough to £3k more p/x price over my supplying dealer.

Nice write up! Sounds like the GTI is doing well so far. I could be tempted by an R but I do still think my GTI has enough performance but key for me, as you have also mentioned, is the heritage and especially the tartan seats! What finally convinced me were the red LEDs in the doors - after that the test drive was a mere formality!
Ha ha thanks Watts, now if only the LED's phased from white to red when you engaged sport (is that a SEAT thing?) The GTI is a great proposition though indeed.

ffrank - i'd be looking at the R if I were you, otherwise you might be getting a PP GTI and wishing you'd got an R in 6 months time! That car is insane above 4k revs. I overtook 2 cars and a bus uphill in 1 maneuver on a very long straight road (could see 1/2 a mile ahead) the other day, it was as if they were standing still. 35 to 85mph (for the momentum, drifted back down to 70 as soon as I was clear of the bus) was achieved very quickly.

For me at least, unless mine gives me further (major) trouble, I could see myself keeping it a fair while, knowing i'll not get anything quicker or better equipped at its price-point, and I have my 5 year warranty to fall back on. Might wait it out until the MK8 before changing.
It's an amazing machine to drive - I'm sure it would wow me even further with some longer drives. But, I've missed some great deals on the R and in comparison to the frankly amazing deals now on the GTI, it's a lot more money (£140 a month more before even thinking about the lower spec). If I consider paying that much more I'm immediately thinking of other cars as the thought of an all new car seems to justify to me the bigger spend - even if the R is as good as any other 30-40k car for driving enjoyment.

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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #31 on: 23 November 2015, 19:53 »
Test drive day!

Choosing my GTD was easy - I needed a lot of practicality whilst maintaining some sportiness and the driving experience, wanted low running costs and planned on eating a lot of miles. It was a perfect compromise, and I didn't at the time think anything else came close (1 series remains on the ugly shelf for me).

Now that I am thinking of doing low miles and switching to a petrol, it's a bit tougher and slightly dangerous...

I went out to drive a GTI today (booked with local dealer), and decided to drop in on BMW and Jaguar to compare their higher end petrol offerings (which with discounts are R money near enough).

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The biggest difference for me against my GTD (with DTUK), was that sweet revving engine. It was really good, as many of you obviously know! The car felt at times quicker but at times like I had caught it off guard - but this is simply learning a different driving style and nothing more. On one occasion I slipped past a slow vehicle on a 2 lane motorway joining ramp, and slipping from 2nd to 3rd gear and revving to the redline was very sweet and smooth - grin inducing indeed. Also, accelerating through the gears from 1st-4th is very smooth with a much more linear feel than the GTD, which is likely as quick with the DTUK - but the GTI felt quicker as the linear and high revving engine just provided a bit more drama. This was in normal mode too, so soundakter was off.

If I went for a GTI I think I would be tempted to go for a PP manual and quite possibly a DTUK box (I would no doubt be re-reading some threads on here / bugging people for their recent experiences with this combo!)

The roads were damp today but traction was ok for me, I'm aware traction could be an issue with the above - but I'm not too worried about this, I'm used to being a little careful with the current car in the wet (for 1st and 2nd gear), and hopefully I would get decent tyres from the factory (not sure what is being shipped currently?)

I love the heritage of the GTI, I haven't owned one but I was bought up in a house with my Dad going through a series of Peugeot GTI 205 1.9's and the idea of continuing the tradition in all but marque is very appealing!

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This was a last minute decision, but they had one and it would have been rude not to? Driving the GTI felt like my car in all but the engine, just driving through the carpark in the R and the car felt different (unless this was just the turning circle!) you could tell something was going on with the 4 corners - and it felt awesome. I did the exact same route as the GTI - 10 miles of dual carriageway and A roads.

This car is an animal  :evil: As I think Monkeyhanger said somewhere, there's initially not a lot under 4000rpm (felt quite flat to me when I first prodded the gas after getting an oil temp), but once going it is amazingly fast. Red lining and then changing gear takes your breath away a little, as the next gear just eats up the road in front of you. I reached very naughty speeds very quickly.

In traffic and driving sedately it feels just like another Golf, so it really does provide the best of both worlds and I can see it's great appeal to the many converts here.

For me, I'm not sure - it almost felt too fast for me. Is that possible, I don't know. But I guess it's the fastest car I have ever driven, so would probably need a longer drive to come to a real conclusion about owning one.


Everything you describe about a free revving engine is fairly understandable coming from a diesel, the GTi engine isn't really that special but it performs well with the level of usable torque. 

You mentioned the pace of the R and also whether it was too fast.  It is possibly too fast for having fun on UK roads at legal speeds and accomplished cars do this.  but accomplished in terms of pace doesn't suit everyone, If everyone only wanted grip/pace and nothing else the MX5, GT86 wouldn't be made. Thankfully some manufacturers offer something different than the ever increasing Uber German thrust for all out power beyond all other considerations.

  I went from faster cars to the GTi as I was bored of driving at normal speeds with a cars that could do 2 1/2 times the speed limit. I started to resent the cars as I could only get them to come alive on track days or at life changing speeds on the road.  sprinting up a slip road and backing off to join traffic is not my idea of fun driving in any car anymore and the R would have been the same to me.  If you think you would want the R, seriously look into it, it has the pace and the VW badge that Ford and Renault desire.  if you want a little balance then the GTi might be a good option between your existing GTD and the R.

I guess most will say the R but i just want to add some balance
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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #32 on: 23 November 2015, 20:19 »
Thanks for that Jackie Treehorn, very interesting perspective to read, much appreciated.

I am definitely leaning towards the GTI, it seems the right package for me, for now at least - and at the current discounts it would need a very strong leaning of my heart to the R to ignore the GTI's appeal.

I won't be adverse to a tuning box on the GTI, but likewise I may find it the performance sweetspot for me in standard guise.

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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #33 on: 23 November 2015, 20:24 »
Very true Jackie, as famously James Hunt used to run around in an Austin A35 van. I'm certainly not knocking the R and I can imagine the driving experience is quite something but I doubt I'd keep my licence for long! I find keeping my GTI at sensible speeds tricky enough as it picks up speed quickly and with it being so refined I just don't realise.

Ffrank - many on here praise the DTUK pedal box as a way of sharpening up the GTI driving experience, perhaps that is worth considering? Plus there is no risk of overwhelming other components and probably no cost on your insurance.
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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #34 on: 23 November 2015, 21:53 »
I would just add that if you do lean towards a GTi, I would consider the Performance pack version, the diff is worth every penny, the borg warner unit is very clever.
 

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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #35 on: 23 November 2015, 23:04 »
Had a part ex price from the test drive dealership - £17,100 trade in book price but they would bump to £18,100. Adding the loyalty discount takes it to £19,100 so close enough to £3k more p/x price over my supplying dealer.


That's a result. Has it made you give serious consideration to changing?
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DONATED TO SON:  GTD 5dr Manual White: Nav Pro: Dynaudio: Winter Pack: Sport & Sound Pack: Rear View Camera: Park Assist. Ordered 19-02-14. Delivered: 07-06-14

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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #36 on: 23 November 2015, 23:39 »
Had a part ex price from the test drive dealership - £17,100 trade in book price but they would bump to £18,100. Adding the loyalty discount takes it to £19,100 so close enough to £3k more p/x price over my supplying dealer.


That's a result. Has it made you give serious consideration to changing?
Yeah thanks, much more like I was expecting! I'm 95% certain I'm going to order a GTI PP, (yep, agreed I think the diff is worth it let alone better brakes Jackie) in tungston silver!! :D Going to try the brokers tomorrow.

How about you Stevie? I think the offer is until jan 30th so we've got a bit of time. But if I order now it should be a March car which is obviously ideal for a 16 plate.

Ffrank - many on here praise the DTUK pedal box as a way of sharpening up the GTI driving experience, perhaps that is worth considering? Plus there is no risk of overwhelming other components and probably no cost on your insurance.
Not a bad idea Watts, thanks. I did 10k before adding the dtuk to my GTD, so it's a nice option for the future if I fancy it - but adding a pedalbox now would certainly add some extra difference from the GTD. It was something I fancied but never got round to doing.


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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #37 on: 23 November 2015, 23:47 »
Yeah thanks, much more like I was expecting! I'm 95% certain I'm going to order a GTI PP, (yep, agreed I think the diff is worth it let alone better brakes Jackie) in tungston silver!! :D Going to try the brokers tomorrow.

How about you Stevie? I think the offer is until jan 30th so we've got a bit of time. But if I order now it should be a March car which is obviously ideal for a 16 plate.


I like the brokers price as you know exactly where you stand but the obvious downside is getting rid of your old car.

I've got a few quotes from CarWow and am currently speaking with a localish dealer but yeah I would like to go ahead with it. Sooner than later. Ordering now would be ideal for a March delivery plus to qualify for the loyalty bonus the car must be registered before the end of March.
Its for my Mrs and she's not into cars so I think the PP would be wasted on her. Her only stipulation is Keyless, Heated Seats & possibly Sat Nav. So that just screams GTI to me  :smug:

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HERS:  GTI 5dr Manual DBP: Parking Pack: Car-Net App: 90% Privacy Glass. Ordered 05-12-15. Delivered 03-03-16
DONATED TO SON:  GTD 5dr Manual White: Nav Pro: Dynaudio: Winter Pack: Sport & Sound Pack: Rear View Camera: Park Assist. Ordered 19-02-14. Delivered: 07-06-14

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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #38 on: 24 November 2015, 10:07 »
Yeah thanks, much more like I was expecting! I'm 95% certain I'm going to order a GTI PP, (yep, agreed I think the diff is worth it let alone better brakes Jackie) in tungston silver!! :D Going to try the brokers tomorrow.

How about you Stevie? I think the offer is until jan 30th so we've got a bit of time. But if I order now it should be a March car which is obviously ideal for a 16 plate.


I like the brokers price as you know exactly where you stand but the obvious downside is getting rid of your old car.

I've got a few quotes from CarWow and am currently speaking with a localish dealer but yeah I would like to go ahead with it. Sooner than later. Ordering now would be ideal for a March delivery plus to qualify for the loyalty bonus the car must be registered before the end of March.
Its for my Mrs and she's not into cars so I think the PP would be wasted on her. Her only stipulation is Keyless, Heated Seats & possibly Sat Nav. So that just screams GTI to me  :smug:
Ah yes, wasn't too sure if drivethedeal allowed part-ex once you are through to the dealer - guess not due to the volume! At least with carwow you can part exchange with the dealer normally.

The spec is pretty much perfect for Mrs P3asa it would seem! And going for DSG? What are you thinking about colour this time?

We could end up March build buddies then!

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Re: Possible switch to a GTI
« Reply #39 on: 24 November 2015, 11:49 »
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Ah yes, wasn't too sure if drivethedeal allowed part-ex once you are through to the dealer - guess not due to the volume!
Its not that 'don't allow' it as such - its just that in practise the deal they set you up with the supplying VW dealer is fixed on the basis of the new car supply price only. So once you are in contact with the dealer they can either decline to purchase your old car or offer you a derogatory price.
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