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Offline jlwhitworth1

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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #30 on: 16 November 2015, 17:39 »
This is another point then, for the same money as the Golf R, I can get a base spec 335d xdrive (broadspeed discount of £9100) - still comes with business nav, and full leather. Sorry if this isn't the place but would like to take advantage of Optimus primes opinion.

Plus any other opinion of course!

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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #31 on: 16 November 2015, 18:07 »
This is another point then, for the same money as the Golf R, I can get a base spec 335d xdrive (broadspeed discount of £9100) - still comes with business nav, and full leather. Sorry if this isn't the place but would like to take advantage of Optimus primes opinion.

Plus any other opinion of course!

Well thats a good choice!  I find that with the bigger dervs especially BMW's its all down to how they are going to be driven and over how many miles a week.  They do hate short trips which is something the GTD is happy to do, for example my 535d gave all sorts of regen error codes etc over my 14 mile commute, where as the GTD is very happy and regens accordingly.  The GTD does not passive regen & is happy to regen stationary in traffic where as the BMW's always needed a long list of perimeters to be met before a regen would even start!  Drop out of this threshold and it would fail to complete.  The main issue being ECT which can be difficult to obtain on short trips especially in winter.  Short rule of thumb is I wouldn't buy a 335d or 535d if my annual mileage was under 14k based on the possibility of dpf / regen issues.  When I was doing a round daily trip of 70 miles no problems cut it in half then it became an issue.

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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #32 on: 16 November 2015, 19:04 »
My biggest worry is going from a 6 pot diesel to a 4 pot diesel, refinement etc. I thought that the petrol 4 pot in the golf gti may bridge this gap a little. This being said, the 335d will be circa £100 a month more than a golf gti, if not even more (without getting at official quotes of course). And it's so way to keep clicking select on the long list of options available! The golf GTD/GTI already come really well specced on this front! I think I need to get some test drives booked!

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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #33 on: 16 November 2015, 21:20 »
If mpg is higher up your priority list than performance then get a GTD, get rid of the sh!tty Bridgestones to get some low speed traction and buy a DTUK tuning box. That GTD won't be as quick off the line as a GTI, but once moving it is a smidge quicker - you'll really notice the difference in gears 4-6, you won't have to change down as often to milk the power band, a lazier drive.

Changed to the R myself, for traction more than anything else, and the R feels massively quicker, but you have to really milk it to go massively quicker as it likels to stay above 4k revs to get the best out of it. When I put my foot down in the R i'll drop from 6th to 3rd a lot of the time, you don't have to drop that many gears for the GTD to come alive.
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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #34 on: 17 November 2015, 10:29 »
Hi guys. Let me chip in. To set the scene, 2 of my last 3 cars have been Bimmer diesels. I had a 2012 320D (new) and a 2013 330D (new), before a stint in a 2014 Z4 (new) and now I'm in my GTI (also new). Prior to that I flirted with Audis, but they're not in the mix. So a qualified opinion. Though still just an opinion.

I'm one of those people who are never really happy, or perhaps I just need to earn more and have 10 or so cars in the garage to suit my mood. And this equation, limiting factors (such as BiK restrictions and corporate policy) aside, is what it's all about: what do you want out of your car?

To try and draw parallels is really difficult. However...

My 320d was a convertible, manual, and the engine sounded like a plastic bucket full of spanners if you put your foot down with the roof in the boot. It was packed with goodies, looked the nuts, comfortable as you like, but was horrible to drive. MPGs aplenty, if that's your bag. But no fun. At all.

The 330 was a different beast. I realised that all the great reviews the 3 Series get are based around the saloon version. It went like hot snot and was even more comfortable than the 320. Probably due to being Luxury rather than M Sport, so different suspension and seats. Didn't have as much tech though. And wasn't really that engaging a drive in my opinion. Sure, it was quick - certainly faster than my current GTI, and really put a smile on your face when taking off from the lights - but it just didn't feel like a car you could, or perhaps should, throw around. Probably needed the M Sport suspension to complete the package. 10 cars, remember.

I'll pay lip service to the Z4 for completion. An absolute blast over a 20 mile run. Super quick (28i) and grippy (255s on the back). Automatic though, and with a definite lag in the auto box unless you stuck it into Sport mode first. But if you're going to go through that faff every time you want to overtake, might as well get a manual. And too small inside. Left me crippled after driving on the motorway for a few hours.

And a universal feature of all my BMs, absolutely hopeless if there's snow. Even a light powder dusting of it. They got twitchy if there was snow on the TV. Fat tyres and RWD - nightmare.

So now, OP, to your dilemma. I've had my GTI a month, so still early in our relationship. There's a smidge under 1000 miles on the clock, which are a good mix of motorway, town and country roads. But I've not begun speccing up my next car yet, so hopefully this might be the one. At least to get me past the 12 month mark. Fingers crossed.

So, speed-wise it's not as quick as the 330 or the Z4. The gearbox is a manual, so can't draw a parallel, but I wanted the driving engagement and I've never really got on with paddles. The manual shifts on the GTI are nice and short and engage well. Refinement wise, the 330 nicks it. As a motorway mile muncher, again the 330 probably just edges it. Just. Probably. Well, possibly. The Adaptive Cruise on the Golf makes the overall motorway experience less hassle, but the seats in the 330 were like old armchairs. Lovely. On a country road, with the sun shining, the Z4 every time. Ear to ear grins all the way.

In the technology stakes (engines and gearboxes not included as those points are a whole other debate) the GTI is packed with stuff that is only an option on the BMWs. ACC, touchscreen media, folding, dipping wing mirrors, SatNav that displays speed signs, speed limiting rather than just audible warnings, pairing of 2 simultaneous phones (nice when you have a personal and a work one like me). Heated seats and keyless entry. All marvellous stuff. Included as standard (well, keyless has changed now I think to an option).

Before going for my GTI I looked at a 428i with similar options and it was about £38k. Discounted down to around £31/32k if I recall correctly.

Plus the GTI feels like it wants to be thrown into and out of corners. Rather than just being employed to do it well. As a drivers car, not on a track that most of us will hardly, if ever, get to use, it's comfortably ahead imo. It is, after all, a hot hatch rather than a mid-size executive saloon.

MPG-wise (yawn), the diesels always win. My Z4 got around 28-29 over the year I had it, and my GTI is currently returning 36-37. Both the 3 series were north of 40.

The BMWs do feel more grown up I suppose. And they probably have a more grown up image - you can read the posts on here about mid-life crises (I'm 46, so the Z4 was mine. Or my bike  :grin: ). But who cares? If it's something you want to enjoy driving in a multitude of situations, or perhaps just throw on the ACC and let it drive itself, I'd take the GTI. Maybe the GTD if the MPGs are that important and you don't mind losing a second (which is MASSIVE :laugh: by the way) off the 0-60.

So it really does come down to what do you want out of your car?

And that, is my opinion.

Good luck...
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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #35 on: 17 November 2015, 10:30 »
Agree with monkeyhanger. It comes down to your overall figures I guess - if prices were equal I would be choosing a GTI this time around - but again that's partly because I fancy a change to petrol from diesel.

Although, I guess I would have to drive one first, as the GTD really is a great torquey thing (and I would imagine you might have a better idea if you get to take all 3 for a spin!) I've clocked 0-60 in 6.5 in my GTD with new front tyres, so it's not necessarily slower than the GTI (GTD with DTUK vs stock GTI). but adding a tuning box isn't for everyone, and you might sacrifice some peace of mind over stock (not that I have had issues in 15k miles of my DTUK).

When I bought my GTD the savings in Fuel, Road Tax (remember to add that into your monthly costs) and a better GFV over the GTI, made it a no brainer for me at 15k miles.

With a change in job I now barely leave my house, and probably shouldn't own a diesel!!

To me the GTD is a perfect compromise of performance and MPG, for high mileage I do think it's a good choice - certainly very refined on the Motorway (I can't compare to a 5 series, but it's certainly quiet - especially with good tyres).

For me another aspect of getting the cheaper option at the time was I could add more options - if you see yourself wanting to tick a few more boxes, that could be another reason to favour the GTD. But if you get to drive them both you will soon know what your heart wants. Just remember most of us on here do recommend a DTUK box if going with a GTD, so imagine the GTD with some extra poke  :evil:

You've got me thinking now though, I wonder what it would cost me to swap to a GTI. Probably quite a lot considering I ticked a lot of options...  :whistle:

Edit - nice comparison Gatsby, the GTI really is a corker eh?
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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #36 on: 18 November 2015, 09:18 »
Agree with monkeyhanger. It comes down to your overall figures I guess - if prices were equal I would be choosing a GTI this time around - but again that's partly because I fancy a change to petrol from diesel.

Although, I guess I would have to drive one first, as the GTD really is a great torquey thing (and I would imagine you might have a better idea if you get to take all 3 for a spin!) I've clocked 0-60 in 6.5 in my GTD with new front tyres, so it's not necessarily slower than the GTI (GTD with DTUK vs stock GTI). but adding a tuning box isn't for everyone, and you might sacrifice some peace of mind over stock (not that I have had issues in 15k miles of my DTUK).

When I bought my GTD the savings in Fuel, Road Tax (remember to add that into your monthly costs) and a better GFV over the GTI, made it a no brainer for me at 15k miles.

With a change in job I now barely leave my house, and probably shouldn't own a diesel!!

To me the GTD is a perfect compromise of performance and MPG, for high mileage I do think it's a good choice - certainly very refined on the Motorway (I can't compare to a 5 series, but it's certainly quiet - especially with good tyres).

For me another aspect of getting the cheaper option at the time was I could add more options - if you see yourself wanting to tick a few more boxes, that could be another reason to favour the GTD. But if you get to drive them both you will soon know what your heart wants. Just remember most of us on here do recommend a DTUK box if going with a GTD, so imagine the GTD with some extra poke  :evil:

You've got me thinking now though, I wonder what it would cost me to swap to a GTI. Probably quite a lot considering I ticked a lot of options...  :whistle:

Edit - nice comparison Gatsby, the GTI really is a corker eh?

Thanks, it really is absolutely brilliant ffrank. If you're not doing the miles, the GTI is definitely the way to go in my opinion.
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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #37 on: 18 November 2015, 10:27 »
The difference between petrol and diesel at 15k miles is small relative to the cost to buy and depreciation etc...

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Re: Change to Mk7 Golf from BMW 330d?
« Reply #38 on: 18 November 2015, 11:45 »
The difference between petrol and diesel at 15k miles is small relative to the cost to buy and depreciation etc...
Maybe on some cars, but I don't think so for the GTD/GTI? Fuel and Road Tax savings at 15,000 miles is about £40 a month, which is quite a lot when you are looking at monthly payments on the car. The GTD is also over £500 cheaper list price.

Not sure how GFV varies now, but originally the GTD had better GFV too - so all in I was saving 100 a month over buying a GTI.