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Offline robtt

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Naughty naughty VW
« on: 22 September 2015, 13:07 »
News full of VW fiddling software in U.S. to get their Diesel engines round pollution laws . Seems the engines can pollute 40 times more when not in "testing" mode $35,000 dollar fine for each car in breach .  VW shares have fallen about 20% on news as fines will go onto billions. Winklehorn likely to fall on his sword as well. What a mess and what about euro 6 ? Have we been conned by VW as well. If so diesel owners might be looking at their cars being worth less  when time comes to sell as not compliant ?
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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #1 on: 22 September 2015, 13:38 »
VW now admitting that 11 million cars effected worldwide -incredible - the company will do well to survive this

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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #2 on: 22 September 2015, 13:48 »
It doesn't affect UK spec engines just the us ea189 engine. Or diesels are ea288.
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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #3 on: 22 September 2015, 13:58 »
It is indeed a shameful deceit by VW and will take them years to recover (similar to the Toyota scandal a few years back). Don't think they're the only ones at it. BMW, Mercedes, GM, Ford will be watching over their shoulders mark my words.
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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #4 on: 22 September 2015, 14:14 »
Hopefully they'll be forced to lower the price of the R400 due to a massive reduction in overall sales, meaning they'll have to sell it on the cheap and then I can get one  :laugh:
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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #5 on: 22 September 2015, 14:18 »
It is indeed a shameful deceit by VW and will take them years to recover (similar to the Toyota scandal a few years back). Don't think they're the only ones at it. BMW, Mercedes, GM, Ford will be watching over their shoulders mark my words.

Think that's a good point as was it somehow accepted practice within industry? so many questions and first is did someone knowingly sanction this software? If so must be most stupid decision ever as it was only ever a matter of time before someone somewhere was scratching head at readings and then went digging.

Quite glad on a lease and might even get a good deal on my R next time around as look to keep business.

Not sure how you all feel, but think you get quite numb to corporate mess ups and personally will just carry on driving about without much thought to this. Also will not effect my next manufacture choice either no matter what other manufacture becomes involved.

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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #6 on: 22 September 2015, 14:20 »
Hopefully they'll be forced to lower the price of the R400 due to a massive reduction in overall sales, meaning they'll have to sell it on the cheap and then I can get one  :laugh:

Made similar point, amazing how the mind thinks  :wink:

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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #7 on: 22 September 2015, 14:26 »
Hopefully they'll be forced to lower the price of the R400 due to a massive reduction in overall sales, meaning they'll have to sell it on the cheap and then I can get one  :laugh:

Made similar point, amazing how the mind thinks  :wink:

Exactly!  Also, I agree with your point on corporate mess ups, let's face it they're all doing it, its just VW were stupid enough to get caught.  Indeed, I sort of admire the genius of the 'defeat software' - very clever.  Just not clever enough mind!

It won't affect my choice of car next time around.  If it was down to build quality or getting around safety tests then that's different, but emissions - I don't really care if I'm being honest (apologies to any green people).
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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #8 on: 22 September 2015, 14:44 »
It won't affect my choice of car next time around.  If it was down to build quality or getting around safety tests then that's different, but emissions - I don't really care if I'm being honest (apologies to any green people).

Me neither, although low the RFL is welcome, but by no means a deal breaker.
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Re: Naughty naughty VW
« Reply #9 on: 22 September 2015, 14:45 »
were VW 'stupid enough to get caught' or were the grassed up by another company looking at VW's increasing domination of world markets and their own models sliding down the sales scales? I'm sure other manufacturers look very closely at how VW engineer their cars and program their electronics, and whilst looking very closely at the electronics they'd suddenly see little things hidden away just out of view. Even a re-mapper that was struggling a bit with TD1 scares might think "how ironic" and put the flare up...
And what better place to do it than in the Land of the litigious Free?
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It's funny though, only recently I was thinking back to the 80's when I first got into VW's when a neighbour bought a mk1 GTI Campaign new (I was still at school btw!) Volkswagen was very much a niche brand in most countries and now they're probably right up there at the top of the sales charts all over the world. I sat there and thought about how car manufacturers have their heyday and then something brings them off the boil, so I wondered with all the ever increasing amount of interesting products across the entire VW group spectrum what would make the inevitable happen and the wheels fall off their wagon (Wagen).

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out over the next few years.
Could be a good time to buy VW shares in fact.
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